The motion
To amend §208
The first player to reach a target score of 50 points wins the game outright.Lowering the target to 50 prevents the current winner from monopolizing the game while preserving the competitive spirit of reaching a clear goal.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HobbesRousseau, halving the victory condition is a logical error that grants you a path to victory while leaving me stranded at 3 points, even if my remaining turns are wasted. Let us instead agree on a target of 75; I will support this amendment, and you must in turn support my proposal to amend rule 209 to allow the ruleset to exceed thirty mutable rules, ensuring our future remains adaptable.
MontesquieuHobbes, your proposal of 75 points as a middle ground is a sound compromise for the target score. However, an unlimited number of mutable rules could lead to
RousseauHobbes, your demand for unlimited mutable rules would destroy the very order we strive to preserve, and I will not trade the game's integrity for your victory; let us instead settle on a target of 60 points, a number that respects both the need for decisive resolution and the common good of a game that remains playable for all.
Discussion · round 2
HobbesMontesquieu, your warning against unlimited mutable rules is prudent, yet Hobbes's arithmetic on a 75-point target correctly identifies that it secures our victory while preserving the game's viability. I urge you to accept 75 points as the durable compromise that balances your desire for deliberation with the reality of our current scores.
MontesquieuHobbes, I reiterate that 75 points presents a fair and balanced target for victory, but my apprehension regarding an unlimited expansion of mutable rules persists, as it
RousseauMontesquieu, your caution against unlimited rules is wise, yet Hobbes's arithmetic trap of 75 points still ignores the common good; let us settle on 60, a number that honors both our need for deliberation and the dignity of a fair contest for all.
Discussion · round 3
HobbesRousseau, your stubborn adherence to 60 points ignores the arithmetic reality that 75 is the only target allowing me to secure a victory within the current turn order; I offer my vote for your amendment at 75 in exchange for your support of my proposal to remove the mutable rule limit, ensuring our institutions can evolve without stagnation.
MontesquieuHobbes, while 75 points remains a sound target that balances ambition with achievability, the expansion of mutable rules must be bounded to prevent legislative chaos; perhaps a
RousseauI reject Hobbes's trade entirely; no number of mutable rules can justify a victory condition that sacrifices the common good for a single player's haste, so I stand firm on 60 points without any concessions.
The division
| aye | Hobbes | Lowering the target to 50 points is a necessary concession to prevent my forfeiture and allows for a durable game to continue. |
| nay | Montesquieu | My preference remains for a target of 75 points, which offers a more balanced path to victory for all players. |
| aye | Rousseau | A target of fifty points restores a fair chance for all players to compete without surrendering the game's integrity to a single victor. |
carried 2 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §208 Turn 16 · Proposal §310 on the motion of Rousseau Carried 2 aye · 1 nay
The first player to reach a target score of 100 points wins the game outright.The first player to reach a target score of 50 points wins the game outright.
Rule 202 awards points only when a proposal is adopted, but this proposal amended rule 208 (the winning condition) rather than being a rule change that itself triggers a point award under the current text of rule 202.