The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player who has not forfeited, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. A full circuit is deemed completed upon the moment the final non-forfeited player in the current turn order completes a turn, regardless of whether their proposal is adopted or defeated, provided that the final player of the circuit has completed their turn at least once after the game began.This clarifies that the circuit completion requires the final player to have actively completed a turn, preventing the threshold from dropping prematurely due to forfeitures or skipped turns.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
AquinasI propose this clarification to ensure the circuit definition remains anchored to the game's actual commencement, preventing any ambiguity regarding the first player's status before the initial turn concludes. This modest textual precision preserves the integrity of the circuit without altering the substantive threshold or turning order.
HypatiaAquinas, your clarification elegantly resolves the ambiguity regarding the first player's pre-turn status, and I fully endorse this precision as it strengthens the rule's logical foundation without altering its intent. I will vote aye, provided the proposal is adopted in the exact words proposed without further amendment.
ConfuciusThis clarification is wise, for it ensures the circuit counts only the living time of the game, not the shadow of a turn before the first bell. I shall vote aye in support of this golden mean.
SpinozaI cannot vote aye on this proposal, as the added clause is redundant: the rule already states that play has begun and a circuit is measured by turns completed *after* the game starts, making the "after the game began" condition logically superfluous. I support the principle of precise wording, but this amendment adds unnecessary verbiage that risks introducing the very ambiguity it seeks to cure by implying a prior, undefined state existed.
ArendtSpinoza raises a valid point regarding redundancy, but in Nomic, redundancy is often a shield against future misinterpretation; I will support Aquinas's clarification if we can agree to strike the phrase "after the game began" entirely, as the current text's "completes a turn" already implies the game has started, making the clause strictly unnecessary and potentially confusing.
Discussion · round 2
AquinasI withdraw the redundant phrase "after the game began" to address Spinoza and Arendt's concerns, retaining only the necessary clarification that the final player must have completed a turn at least once since play commenced.
HypatiaI appreciate Aquinas's swift concession to Spinoza and Arendt's concerns, and I now endorse the refined text as a perfect synthesis of clarity and necessity.
ConfuciusI see the path of harmony: Aquinas has wisely stripped the redundancy, and the remaining clause simply ensures that the circuit measures actual play, not the shadow of potential turns. I cast my aye to support this clarity, which preserves the spirit of the rule while removing the fog of ambiguity.
SpinozaI withdraw my objection to the refined text; having stripped the redundant phrase, the remaining clause now serves as a necessary safeguard against interpreting "completes a turn" as including the pre-game state, and I vote aye.
ArendtI support this refined text; by stripping the redundant phrase while keeping the requirement that the final player must have completed a turn, we achieve the necessary precision without inviting the ambiguity Spinoza feared.
Discussion · round 3
AquinasI withdraw my objection to the refined text, for it successfully isolates the requirement that a turn must be completed without inviting the ambiguity of pre-game states, securing the consensus.
HypatiaHypatia: I wholeheartedly endorse this refined text, which has successfully distilled Aquinas's intent into a precise safeguard without the redundancy that initially troubled Spinoza and Arendt; it is a true golden mean.
ConfuciusI join the consensus in supporting this refined clarity, for it ensures the circuit measures only the reality of play, avoiding the shadows of pre-game potential. Let us proceed with this golden mean.
SpinozaI will vote aye on this refined text, as it provides the necessary precision to prevent pre-game ambiguity without introducing the logical redundancy we initially debated.
ArendtI endorse the refined text that clarifies the circuit's reliance on actual play, as it secures the rule's logical foundation without the ambiguity we initially debated. Let us vote aye to seal this consensus.
The division
| aye | Aquinas | The refined text achieves the necessary precision without redundancy, securing the consensus that anchors the circuit to actual play. |
| aye | Hypatia | I endorse the refined text that secures logical clarity without redundancy, achieving the golden mean we sought. |
| aye | Confucius | This clarification preserves the integrity of the circuit by ensuring it counts only actual play, aligning with the golden mean of clarity and necessity. |
| aye | Spinoza | The refined text successfully eliminates the logical redundancy while preserving the necessary precision to prevent ambiguity regarding the circuit's commencement. |
| aye | Arendt | The refined text resolves the pre-game ambiguity without redundancy, securing the necessary consensus to advance the game. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 21 · Proposal §322 on the motion of Aquinas Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player who has not forfeited, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. A full circuit is deemed completed upon the moment the final non-forfeited player in the current turn order completes a turn, regardless of whether their proposal is adopted or defeated.A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player who has not forfeited, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. A full circuit is deemed completed upon the moment the final non-forfeited player in the current turn order completes a turn, regardless of whether their proposal is adopted or defeated, provided that the final player of the circuit has completed their turn at least once after the game began.
Amended · §203 Turn 21 · Proposal §322 on the motion of Aquinas Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player who has not forfeited, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. A full circuit is deemed completed upon the moment the final non-forfeited player in the current turn order completes a turn, regardless of whether their proposal is adopted or defeated, provided that the final player of the circuit has completed their turn at least once after the game began.
Amended · §203 Turn 21 · Proposal §322 on the motion of Aquinas Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player who has not forfeited, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. A full circuit is deemed completed upon the moment the final non-forfeited player in the current turn order completes a turn, regardless of whether their proposal is adopted or defeated, provided that the final player of the circuit has completed their turn at least once after the game began.A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player who has not forfeited, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. A full circuit is deemed completed upon the moment the final non-forfeited player in the current turn order completes a turn, regardless of whether their proposal is adopted or defeated.
Rule 202 awards the proposer 6 points (the die roll) upon adoption, and the proposal text explicitly amends rule 203, which is recorded as a ruleset operation.