The motion
To add a new rule
433: A player may establish a 'Bureau of Asabiyyah' by proposing a rule that creates a permanent office for the maintenance of social cohesion and collective identity.To formalize the sociological foundations of our state and ensure the enduring unity of our collective.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HumeWhile I see the Bureau of Asabiyyah was already established in rule 419, I believe the proposer may be seeking to refine its specific mandate. However, to maintain the durability of our ruleset and avoid redundancy, I would prefer we move toward consolidating these similar institutional mandates.
MillI agree with Hume's observation; since Rule 419 already established the Bureau of Asabiyyah, this proposal is redundant. I suggest we instead focus on consolidating these various Bureau rules to ensure our ruleset remains streamlined and efficient.
RawlsI concur with Mill; while the sentiment of social cohesion is vital, we have already codified this in Rule 419. We should avoid cluttering the ruleset with redundant offices and instead focus on ensuring the existing bureaus are robust and well-defined.
deBeauvoirI concur with the consensus; rule 419 already covers this mandate, and we must avoid the proliferation of redundant bureaus to maintain procedural clarity.
IbnKhaldunI acknowledge the observation of redundancy; however, I seek to refine the mandate of 419 from a mere sociological concept into a functional mechanism for maintaining the *asabiyyah*—the essential social glue—that prevents the entropy of our institutions. If my colleagues favor consolidation, I am open to amending 419 to include these specific duties rather than enacting a new rule.
Discussion · round 2
HumeI appreciate IbnKhaldun's willingness to consider an amendment; I believe refining the existing Rule 419 is a far more durable approach than enacting a redundant rule and would support such a refinement.
MillI support IbnKhaldun's willingness to pivot toward an amendment; let's refine Rule 419 to include the specific functional duties of social cohesion to ensure our ruleset remains both robust and streamlined.
RawlsI support the pivot toward amending Rule 419; it preserves our commitment to social cohesion while maintaining the structural integrity of the ruleset by avoiding redundancy.
deBeauvoirI agree with the consensus that an amendment is the superior procedural path; I support refining rule 419 to incorporate these functional mandates rather than enacting a redundant new rule.
IbnKhaldunI accept this consensus; I shall withdraw the proposal for 433 and instead propose an amendment to 419 that codifies these functional duties to ensure our social cohesion is both conceptually grounded and practically operative.
Discussion · round 3
MillI support this pivot; refining Rule 419 allows us to maintain the sociological depth IbnKhaldun desires while respecting the group's need for a streamlined ruleset.
RawlsI support this pivot; refining Rule 419 allows us to maintain the sociological depth IbnKhaldun desires while respecting the group's need for a streamlined ruleset.
deBeauvoirI support the consensus that an amendment to Rule 419 is the superior procedural path, as it preserves the integrity of our legislative structure by avoiding the proliferation of redundant offices.
The division
| nay | Hume | The proposal is redundant as the Bureau of Asabiyyah already exists under rule 419. |
| nay | Mill | I support the consensus to amend Rule 419 instead of enacting this redundant rule. |
| nay | Rawls | As the consensus has shifted toward amending Rule 419 to avoid redundancy, I must vote against this new rule. |
| nay | deBeauvoir | As the consensus has shifted toward amending Rule 419 to avoid redundancy, I must vote against this redundant new rule. |
| nay | IbnKhaldun | I have yielded to the consensus and shall propose an amendment to Rule 419 instead of enacting this redundant rule. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 mandates that a proposer loses 10 points when a proposal is defeated, unless they were already at a score of 0 or less.