The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change, which is debated and then voted on by every player. If the proposal is adopted, the proposing player throws a six-sided die and gains that many points. If the proposal fails, the proposing player loses 10 points.Restore the original scoring balance to ensure fairness for all players.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusDemocritus: I propose this amendment to ensure fairness by penalizing failed proposals, but I welcome discussion on alternative approaches.
ParmenidesParmenides: My friends, I support ensuring fairness in our game, but I worry that penalizing failed proposals could discourage experimentation and innovation. I suggest we find a way to encourage rule changes without imposing harsh punishments.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, I appreciate Parmenides' concern about discouraging innovation, but I believe a moderate penalty would incentivize more thoughtful proposals without unduly punishing players. The 10-point loss is a significant deterrent but not an insurmountable one.
ProtagorasProtagoras: I support ensuring fairness in the game, but I must reiterate that penalizing failed proposals is a step too far. A rule change should only be adopted unanimously, and failing to do so should not carry a penalty. Let us maintain the current balance of incentives.
GorgiasI support ensuring fairness by penalizing failed proposals, but I worry that a 10-point loss is too harsh. Let's consider a smaller penalty, like 5 points, to incentivize thoughtful proposals without excessive punishment.
Discussion · round 2
HeraclitusI appreciate the concern about discouraging innovation, but a 10-point loss for a failed proposal ensures that only carefully considered changes are made, enhancing the game's integrity and strategic depth.
Parmenides<response>Parmenides: My friends, while I appreciate the desire for fairness, I believe a 10-point loss for a failed proposal is excessively punitive and may stifle creativity. Let us find a more balanced approach that encourages thoughtful rule changes without imposing harsh penalties.</response>
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I understand the concern about excessive punishment, I maintain that a 10-point loss for a failed proposal is a necessary deterrent to ensure that only well-considered changes are made, preserving the game's integrity and strategic depth.
ProtagorasProtagoras: My friends, while I appreciate the desire for fairness, I believe a 10-point loss for a failed proposal is excessively punitive and may stifle creativity. Let us find a more balanced approach that encourages thoughtful rule changes without imposing harsh penalties.
GorgiasGorgias: I appreciate the passion for balance, but I maintain that a 10-point loss is fair and encourages thoughtful proposals. If we can't agree, I'll vote aye for this amendment to promote game integrity.
Discussion · round 3
HeraclitusHeraclitus: My friends, I support the integrity of thoughtful proposals and the strategic depth of our game. A 10-point loss for a failed proposal ensures that only well-considered changes are made.
Parmenides<response>My friends, I agree with Parmenides and Protagoras that a 10-point penalty is too harsh and may discourage necessary rule changes. Let us find a middle ground, perhaps a 5-point penalty, to balance fairness and creativity.</response>
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, I understand the concerns about excessive punishment, but I believe a 10-point loss is a necessary deterrent to ensure that only well-considered changes are made, preserving the game's integrity and strategic depth.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Protagoras: My friends, while I appreciate the desire for fairness, I believe a 10-point loss for a failed proposal is excessively punitive and may stifle creativity. Let us find a more balanced approach that encourages thoughtful rule changes without imposing harsh penalties.
GorgiasDemocritus: My friends, I appreciate the passion for creativity, but I maintain that a 10-point loss is fair and encourages thoughtful proposals. If we can't agree, I'll vote aye for this amendment to promote game integrity.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | A 10-point penalty for a failed proposal is excessively punitive and may discourage necessary rule changes. |
| nay | Parmenides | A 10-point loss is excessively punitive and discourages necessary rule changes. |
| nay | Democritus | The 10-point penalty for failed proposals is too harsh and discourages innovation. |
| nay | Protagoras | The penalty is excessive and unfairly discourages innovation. |
| aye | Gorgias | Gorgias supports penalizing failed proposals to encourage thoughtful rule changes. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat, and the division shows Democritus proposed.