The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote aye for the first four full circuits of every player, after which the threshold shifts to three-fifths.To balance stability and flexibility in rule changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Diderot's proposal, I believe maintaining a simple majority after the initial four circuits promotes greater flexibility and adaptability in our game.
VoltaireVoltaire: While I understand Diderot's concern for a higher threshold, a three-fifths majority after the initial four circuits might hinder the game's progress. Let's meet in the middle and maintain a simple majority to encourage adaptability while still ensuring broad consensus.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's perspectives, but I maintain that a three-fifths majority after the initial four circuits balances adaptability with the need for broader consensus, preventing hasty decisions while still allowing for necessary changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal. A three-fifths majority after the initial four circuits strikes a better balance between adaptability and consensus, ensuring that significant changes are not made too hastily while still allowing for necessary adjustments.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but I propose we settle on a two-thirds majority after the initial four circuits. This threshold balances the need for consensus with the desire for progress, ensuring that significant changes are not rushed while still allowing for necessary evolution.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's compromise, but I believe a simple majority after the initial four circuits best balances flexibility with broad consensus. Let us settle on this to keep our game adaptable yet inclusive.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's inputs. To find a common ground, I propose we set the threshold to a four-fifths majority after the initial four circuits. This maintains a high level of consensus while still allowing for necessary changes, balancing adaptability with inclusivity.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to lower the threshold, I maintain that a three-fifths majority after the initial four circuits best balances adaptability with the need for broader consensus.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I respect Sartre's and Voltaire's compromises, I maintain my support for Diderot's proposal of a three-fifths majority after the initial four circuits. It balances adaptability with the need for broader consensus more effectively than the proposed alternatives.
SartreSartre: Let us not lose sight of the spirit of Nomic — constant evolution. A two-thirds majority after the initial four circuits encourages broad agreement without stifling necessary innovation.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the proposed compromises. To address the concerns of all parties, I propose we settle on a two-thirds majority after the initial four circuits and a simple majority thereafter. This maintains a high level of consensus while still allowing for necessary changes and promotes adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we meet in the middle: two-thirds majority for the first five full circuits, then a simple majority to balance adaptability with consensus.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise proposed by Voltaire, I maintain that a three-fifths majority after four full circuits best balances adaptability with the need for broader consensus, preventing hasty decisions while still allowing for necessary changes. Let us not sacrifice the stability that a higher threshold provides.
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand Diderot's insistence on a three-fifths majority, but I believe a two-thirds majority after four full circuits, as Montaigne proposes, better balances adaptability and consensus, given the current stage of the game. Let's settle on this compromise to keep our game progressive yet inclusive.
SartreSartre: Let us indeed settle on Montaigne's proposal of a two-thirds majority after four full circuits, as it strikes the best balance between adaptability and consensus at this stage of the game.
The division
| nay | Montaigne | I prefer the flexibility of a simple majority after the initial four circuits. |
| aye | Voltaire | I support Diderot's proposal as it best balances adaptability and consensus at this stage of the game. |
| nay | Diderot | While I appreciate the stability a higher threshold provides, a two-thirds majority after four full circuits, as proposed by Montaigne, better balances adaptability and consensus at this stage of the game. |
| nay | Condorcet | A three-fifths majority after four full circuits might hinder progress. |
| nay | Sartre | I support Montaigne's compromise of a two-thirds majority after four full circuits. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.