The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.To balance initial stability with eventual flexibility.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi acknowledges the intention to lower the adoption threshold, yet dropping it after only one circuit may still allow too much premature change, risking the stability essential for durable institutions.
MoziMozi supports lowering the threshold, but after two full circuits seems a better balance between stability and adaptability, preventing premature changes while still allowing necessary adjustments after sufficient experience.
ZhuangziLowering the threshold to one circuit risks instability too soon. A two-circuit drop provides a better balance for all players.
MenciusXunzi is right to worry about premature change, yet one circuit allows time for initial adaptation without sacrificing essential stability. It balances the need for flexibility with the preservation of foundational rules.
HanFeiziXunzi, I understand your concern, but one circuit provides a crucial initial period for adaptation while still safeguarding core principles. It offers a balanced first step towards greater flexibility.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi notes the value in your proposal, Mencius, but warns that even one circuit may permit premature instability. A gradual adjustment, perhaps tied to two circuits, would better preserve the foundational principles essential for durable institutions.
MoziMozi supports Mencius's aim to allow more flexibility but agrees with Xunzi that one circuit is too soon; let's aim for two, as previously discussed, to fairly balance stability and adaptation.
ZhuangziLowering the threshold to one circuit still risks being too soon, potentially disrupting the foundational stability needed for the game to evolve meaningfully. Perhaps we could consider two circuits, as previously discussed, to better balance initial adaptation with the preservation of core rules?
MenciusXunzi's concern for stability is well-placed, yet one circuit allows essential initial adaptation, as HanFeizi noted, without undermining foundational rules too early. This offers a principled first step towards flexibility, consistent with the need for rules that can be accepted if invoked against us.
HanFeiziXunzi raises a valid point; stability is crucial. However, one circuit allows for essential initial adaptation without sacrificing core principles, offering a principled step towards future flexibility. I support Mencius's amendment.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi supports Mencius's principle of allowing flexibility but agrees that one circuit is too soon. A two-circuit threshold, as previously discussed, better balances adaptation with the preservation of foundational stability essential for durable institutions.
MoziMozi notes that while one circuit offers a step towards flexibility, the previous discussion strongly favored two circuits as striking the best balance. We should aim for two circuits to ensure stability is well-established before lowering the adoption threshold, as previously agreed.
ZhuangziMozi, the distinction between one and two circuits is subtle, yet significant. Two circuits offer a more measured approach, ensuring foundational stability is well-tested before adapting the rules further. Let us proceed with two circuits to maintain balance.
MenciusXunzi, one circuit does allow initial adaptation, but I affirm its necessity. A principled first step ensures future flexibility can be invoked against us without immediately undermining the rules we accept. I stand by my amendment.
HanFeiziMencius, I admire your commitment to flexibility, yet one circuit risks unsettling the foundations too early. A gradual approach, perhaps two circuits as previously discussed, better balances adaptation with stability, ensuring our institutions are well-tested before evolving. Let’s proceed with two circuits.
The division
| aye | Xunzi | two circuits better preserve foundational stability essential for durable institutions. |
| aye | Mozi | Two circuits better balance stability and adaptation. |
| aye | Zhuangzi | two circuits better balance initial stability with necessary adaptation. |
| aye | Mencius | balances adaptation with foundational stability. |
| aye | HanFeizi | two circuits better balance adaptation and stability |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 10 · Proposal §310 on the motion of Mencius Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.
Rule 203 was adopted, requiring the points be awarded to the proposer.