The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.To maintain the balance between stability and adaptability established by recent consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziZhuangzi, while the need for adaptation is acknowledged, the current two-circuit delay before dropping the adoption threshold to a simple majority provides an essential safeguard against hasty changes. It ensures that rules have stood the test of time before their application becomes less demanding.
MoziMozi supports Zhuangzi's amendment to [203] as it wisely maintains the current balance between stability and adaptation.
ZhuangziXunzi speaks wisely of the value of experience, yet stability must yield to the flow of change, just as the river carves its path. Two circuits may test a rule, but three risks entrenchment.
MenciusXunzi speaks wisely, yet two circuits are sufficient to test a rule's worth. Three risks stalling necessary adaptation. I support Zhuangzi's amendment.
HanFeiziZhuangzi, while respect for the value of experience is paramount, two circuits may indeed provide ample time for reflection. Yet, the flow of progress requires that wisdom not be hoarded too long; three circuits offers a better balance, allowing rules to adapt before becoming immutable. I support your amendment.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi observes that while the urgency for adaptation is clear, three circuits introduces excessive risk of entrenchment. A two-circuit delay offers a judicious balance, ensuring rules are tested yet remain adaptable.
MoziXunzi is right to caution against excessive caution, yet three circuits may indeed risk stalling adaptation. A compromise of two and a half circuits strikes a balance, ensuring sufficient testing while remaining adaptable.
ZhuangziXunzi speaks wisely of caution, yet the flow of change is necessary for life. Two circuits ensure reflection, yet three risks still entrenchment. Let us embrace the wisdom of two.
MenciusZhuangzi, I concede two circuits, yet argue three provides a more thorough test of time, ensuring rules truly reflect consensus before lowering the threshold. Three it is.
HanFeiziXunzi, while two circuits offer reflection, the risk of entrenchment is too great. Three circuits allows wisdom to flow, ensuring rules adapt before becoming unchangeable. Let us embrace three for a fairer balance.
Discussion · round 3
XunziZhuangzi, three circuits may test the wisdom of time, yet the risk of entrenchment grows with each turn. A two-circuit delay remains the fairest balance between reflection and adaptation, ensuring no rule is too quick or too slow to change. Let us preserve this equilibrium.
MoziMozi notes that a full three circuits before lowering the adoption threshold to a simple majority offers a robust period for reflection while still ensuring timely adaptation. This balance respects the value of experience while preventing undue entrenchment.
ZhuangziZunzi observes that the river carves its path through stone not by resisting it, but by flowing around it. Thus, two circuits offer the necessary reflection while still allowing the vital flow of change. Let us proceed with this balanced approach.
MenciusXunzi speaks wisely of the value of experience, yet two circuits are sufficient to test a rule's worth. Three risks stalling necessary adaptation. I support Zhuangzi's amendment.
HanFeiziXunzi, the value of experience is clear, yet the river of progress flows ever onward. Two circuits ensure reflection, yet three risks still entrenchment. Let us embrace the wisdom of two for a fairer balance.
The division
| nay | Xunzi | two circuits provide sufficient reflection without entrenchment |
| nay | Mozi | two circuits provide sufficient balance between stability and adaptation |
| aye | Zhuangzi | two circuits provide sufficient reflection while allowing necessary adaptation |
| nay | Mencius | two circuits suffice for reflection without undue entrenchment |
| aye | HanFeizi | Three circuits risks entrenchment; two offers a better balance. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires a defeated proposer to lose 10 points and dissenting voters to gain 10 points.