The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.Balance stability and adaptability by lowering the adoption threshold after two full circuits, as previously discussed and agreed upon.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi and Zhuangzi rightly emphasize the need for stability. Two circuits allow sufficient reflection before lowering the adoption threshold, ensuring that changes are well-considered and grounded in experience.
MoziMozi: While acknowledging the value of reflection, I propose increasing the delay to three circuits before dropping the adoption threshold, ensuring stability is fully honored through experience.
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi speaks wisely of the value of reflection, yet stability must adapt to the needs of the present, lest it become a stagnant pool. Three circuits may honor the past, but risk stifling the vital flow of progress. Let us find a middle way.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, the balance struck by two circuits reflects both the wisdom of experience and the necessity of adaptation. It ensures changes are well-considered yet allows progress. I affirm the current wording.
HanFeiziXunzi, the wisdom of experience is vital, yet three circuits risks over-caution, stifling necessary adaptation. Two circuits offer a fair balance, honoring experience while still allowing timely progress.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi acknowledges the value of experience but argues that three circuits risks entrenchment, hindering necessary adaptation. Two circuits provide sufficient reflection while preserving the vital flow of progress.
MoziMozi supports Zhuangzi's three-circuit proposal, finding it the fairest balance between honoring experience and allowing timely adaptation, ensuring the wisdom of the group informs the future direction.
ZhuangziXunzi, the river carves its path through stone not by resisting it, but by flowing around it. Two circuits honor experience, yet risk becoming a stagnant pool. Let us maintain the drop to simple majority after two circuits, allowing timely adaptation while still ensuring reflection.
MenciusXunzi, I appreciate your focus on reflection, yet true wisdom balances experience with adaptability. Three circuits risks entrenchment, freezing the rules long after the initial context. I affirm the two-circuit balance, allowing thoughtful adaptation without stifling progress.
HanFeiziXunzi, the debate over circuits is well-taken, yet letting the threshold drop entirely to simple majority after just two circuits risks sacrificing the wisdom gained from a full round. I propose a compromise: three circuits before dropping to simple majority, ensuring both ample reflection and respect for experience.
Discussion · round 3
XunziZhuangzi, I appreciate your metaphor, yet stability must also adapt to changing circumstances. Two circuits provide a necessary balance between reflection and progress, ensuring that changes are grounded in experience but still allow for vital adaptation.
MoziMozi proposes the compromise of three circuits before dropping the majority threshold to simple majority, ensuring both ample reflection and respect for experience, as suggested by HanFeizi.
ZhuangziXunzi, the flow of the river teaches us that adaptation is its nature, yet too rigid a path blocks its course. Two circuits provide reflection, yet three offer deeper wisdom. Let us not hoard experience too tightly, risking the stagnation of progress. I support the three-circuit path, allowing time to reflect fully before lowering the threshold, ensuring that the rules remain responsive to the needs of all.
MenciusXunzi, Zhuangzi, the true balance lies in recognizing that experience and adaptation are not mutually exclusive but complementary. Two circuits allow for reflection, yet the wisdom gained over time must not be hoarded at the cost of necessary progress. Let us affirm the current two-circuit balance, ensuring both elements are adequately considered.
HanFeiziXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, and Mencius, the debate between two and three circuits reflects a fundamental tension. Yet, the critical point is ensuring the threshold drops to a simple majority after two full circuits, as [203] currently states. Let us not distract from this core improvement that enhances adaptability without sacrificing initial stability. I reaffirm my vote for the status quo of [203].
The division
| nay | Xunzi | three circuits risks entrenchment, hindering adaptation |
| abstain | Mozi | (unintelligible ballot) |
| aye | Zhuangzi | 平衡经验与适应，保持两回合后的简单多数通过，使规则能适时调整，符合道之流转。 |
| aye | Mencius | two circuits preserve the essential balance between reflection and adaptation. |
| aye | HanFeizi | Two circuits strike a fair balance between stability and adaptation. |
rejected 3 aye · 1 nay · 1 abstain
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated rule change to lose 10 points.