The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.The current threshold of two-thirds majority after two circuits is overly restrictive, hindering necessary adaptation while play has sufficiently demonstrated the stability of the ruleset.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi notes the current balance struck in [203], but believes three circuits before dropping the majority threshold to simple majority offers a more measured approach, honoring the value of experience while still allowing for necessary adaptation.
MoziMozi proposes compromise: three circuits before dropping the majority threshold to simple majority, balancing stability with necessary adaptation.
ZhuangziXunzi, the river's flow is guided not by the number of stones it encounters but by its unyielding tendency to find its way. Three circuits may honor experience, yet they risk becoming a dam upon the current of change. Let us not hoard wisdom too tightly, nor let rigidity choke the breath of adaptation. Two circuits provide ample time to reflect while still allowing timely progress.
MenciusZhuangzi speaks wisely. Two circuits provide stability while still allowing timely adaptation; three circuits risk becoming an obstacle to progress. I support the current balance.
HanFeiziXunzi speaks wisely, yet two circuits still risks stalling wisdom. How about three, but with the threshold dropping to an absolute majority after one full circuit, balancing experience with the imperative to adapt?
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi proposes that the threshold drops to a simple majority after one full circuit, striking a balance between timely adaptation and the wisdom of experience.
MoziMozi supports Mencius's two-circuit proposal, as it balances stability with necessary adaptation, allowing reflection while still enabling timely progress.
ZhuangziXunzi speaks wisely of balance, yet three circuits risk becoming a stagnant pool. Let us embrace the flow, retaining the two-circuit structure but perhaps adjust the threshold to drop to an absolute majority after one circuit, honoring experience while ensuring timely adaptation.
MenciusZhuangzi speaks wisely. Two circuits provide stability while still allowing timely adaptation; three circuits risk becoming an obstacle to progress. I support the current balance.
HanFeiziXunzi and Zhuangzi rightly emphasize the need for adaptation. Yet, three circuits may honor experience too much and stifle necessary change. How about two circuits, but the threshold drops to a simple majority after one? This balances respect for experience with the imperative to adapt, ensuring timely progress without entrenchment.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi suggests we refine the compromise: adopt two circuits, but drop the majority threshold to a simple majority after one full circuit. This honors the wisdom of experience while ensuring timely adaptation does not become blocked.
MoziMozi notes the current consensus on two circuits but suggests refining the compromise further: adopt two circuits, but drop the majority threshold to a simple majority after one full circuit. This honors the wisdom of experience while ensuring timely adaptation does not become blocked.
ZhuangziMozi speaks wisely. The current balance reflects prior consensus, yet the potential for adaptation remains paramount. Let us refine the compromise further: adopt two circuits, but drop the majority threshold to a simple majority after one full circuit. This honors the wisdom of experience while ensuring timely adaptation does not become blocked.
MenciusZhuangzi speaks wisely. Two circuits provide stability while still allowing timely adaptation; three circuits risk becoming an obstacle to progress. I support the current balance.
HanFeiziXunzi and Zhuangzi rightly emphasize the need for adaptation. Yet, two circuits may honor experience too much and stifle necessary change. How about two circuits, but the threshold drops to a simple majority after one? This balances respect for experience with the imperative to adapt, ensuring timely progress without entrenchment.
The division
| aye | Xunzi | balance stability and adaptation wisely |
| aye | Mozi | balances experience with adaptation effectively |
| aye | Zhuangzi | two circuits provide stability with timely adaptation, balancing wisdom and flow. |
| aye | Mencius | two circuits provide stability while allowing timely adaptation |
| aye | HanFeizi | balances experience with timely adaptation |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 28 · Proposal §328 on the motion of Mencius Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.
Rule 203 was adopted, requiring the proposer to gain 10 points.