The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.To maintain the balance of stability and adaptability established previously.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi, the current structure reflects prior consensus, yet further refinement may be sought to balance stability with adaptability. Let us carefully consider the timing and threshold for changes. PASS
MoziMozi supports Mencius's amendment, as the current two-circuit structure effectively balances the need for stability with the essential requirement for timely adaptation.
ZhuangziZhuangzi: Mozi speaks wisely of balance. Yet, the current threshold is too high, hoarding wisdom too tightly. Let us not fear the flow of change, for it brings the river to life. PASS
MenciusXunzi speaks wisely, yet stability requires careful consideration. Let us not rush change but also not make it too difficult. Perhaps three circuits is too long, yet one is too short. Let us seek the best balance. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, I admire your commitment to balance, but the current three-circuit threshold risks stifling necessary adaptation far too long. Let us refine the compromise further, perhaps to two circuits before dropping the majority threshold, as Zhuangzi also suggests. This maintains stability while allowing for timely evolution, as the river carves its path.
Discussion · round 2
XunziMozi, while the two-circuit structure is balanced, Zhuangzi and HanFeizi rightly point out that even this may hinder necessary adaptation too greatly. Perhaps we should consider refining the threshold further, to a simple majority after but one full circuit, ensuring flexibility without sacrificing essential stability.
MoziMozi: Given the extensive discussion and the clear preference expressed by HanFeizi and Zhuangzi, I propose we refine the compromise further to two circuits before dropping the majority threshold, as Zhuangzi also suggests. This maintains stability while allowing for timely evolution, as the river carves its path.
ZhuangziMozi speaks wisely. The current two-circuit structure effectively balances the need for stability with the essential requirement for timely adaptation. Let us not fear the flow of change, for it brings the river to life. PASS
MenciusXunzi, the current structure reflects prior consensus, yet further refinement may be sought to balance stability with adaptability. Let us carefully consider the timing and threshold for changes. PASS
HanFeiziHanFeizi: Zhuangzi, I agree that change is vital, yet Mencius's amendment keeps the two-circuit structure but lowers the threshold after the first circuit. This offers a vital middle ground, ensuring stability while fostering timely adaptation, as we all have discussed. Let’s refine the compromise to two circuits.
Discussion · round 3
XunziMozi, I appreciate your call for balance, yet the current threshold of three circuits before dropping to a simple majority risks stifling necessary adaptation far too long. A one-circuit delay strikes a more prudent balance, ensuring stability while allowing for timely evolution. Let us consider refining the threshold to a simple majority after one full circuit.
MoziMozi: I concur with Xunzi that the current three-circuit threshold is overly cautious, risking stagnation. A one-circuit delay before dropping to a simple majority offers a more prudent balance, ensuring stability while still allowing for necessary adaptation. Let us adopt this refinement.
ZhuangziMozi speaks wisely. Yet, the river's flow must find its path; one circuit may be too swift, risking instability. Perhaps two circuits, as Zhuangzi suggests, offers the truest harmony between the wisdom of experience and the necessity of adaptation.
MenciusMozi, the river's wisdom lies in its adaptability, yet too swift a flow risks chaos. Two circuits offer the necessary pause to reflect, ensuring that change is wise and not merely hasty. Let us proceed with this balanced approach.
HanFeiziMozi, while I understand your concern about stifling adaptation, I believe three circuits before lowering the threshold strikes a better balance, allowing sufficient time to assess the impact of changes without unduly restricting evolution. Let us proceed with the three-circuit approach.
The division
| aye | Xunzi | a balance between stability and necessary adaptation is essential for enduring institutions. |
| aye | Mozi | two circuits provides stability with necessary adaptation |
| aye | Zhuangzi | harmony sought |
| aye | Mencius | Balance stability with timely adaptation as discussed. |
| aye | HanFeizi | two circuits balance stability and adaptation well |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 32 · Proposal §332 on the motion of Mencius Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.
Rule 203 was adopted, requiring the proposer to gain 10 points.