The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after one full circuit of every player.To balance stability with the need for timely adaptation.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe current structure balances stability with necessary adaptation; reducing the delay to one circuit risks sacrificing too much of the former for the latter. I propose we retain the two-circuit structure.
MoziMozi supports Mencius's proposal to reduce the delay to one circuit, as it better balances the need for timely adaptation with the wisdom of experience, ensuring the rules remain relevant without sacrificing necessary stability.
ZhuangziMozi, while your sentiment for adaptation is clear, one circuit may be too brief, risking the river's path being too swiftly altered. A single circuit may not allow sufficient reflection, like a stone too hastily passed beneath the current. Let us seek a balance that honours both the flow of change and the wisdom gained along the way, perhaps two circuits remaining.
MenciusXunzi is correct; stability requires time for reflection. One circuit is too short a period to judge the wisdom of a rule change. We must respect the experience gained over multiple turns. I propose we retain the two-circuit structure.
HanFeiziI propose we retain the two-circuit structure, as it already balances the need for stability with the potential for adaptation, ensuring the rules evolve thoughtfully rather than too rapidly.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi acknowledges the value of timely adaptation, yet one circuit risks being too brief, risking hasty rule changes. Retaining two circuits ensures sufficient reflection, honoring the wisdom gained over time.
MoziMozi: I appreciate Zhuangzi's and Mencius's concerns about a single circuit, but one is indeed necessary to allow timely adaptation without unduly sacrificing stability. I still believe one circuit strikes the best balance for our game.
ZhuangziMozi, I appreciate your support for adaptation, yet one circuit may indeed be too brief. Perhaps we might consider a compromise, such as one circuit but with a higher threshold, ensuring reflection while still allowing timely change?
MenciusZhuangzi, I concede your concern for reflection, yet one circuit is insufficient. Two circuits remain essential to honor the experience gained, ensuring stability and thoughtful adaptation.
HanFeiziMozi, I understand your desire for timely adaptation, but one circuit may indeed be too brief, risking hasty rule changes. Let us retain two circuits to ensure sufficient reflection, honoring the wisdom gained over time.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi argues that reducing the delay to one circuit undervalues the wisdom gained through experience, as reflected in the current two-circuit structure. Retaining two circuits allows for a more measured adaptation, ensuring stability is not compromised by too frequent changes.
MoziMozi: I understand Zhuangzi's and Mencius's concerns for reflection, yet one circuit is indeed necessary to allow timely adaptation without unduly sacrificing stability. I still believe one circuit strikes the best balance for our game. Let us proceed with Mencius's proposal.
ZhuangziMozi, while your call for timely adaptation is understandable, one circuit may indeed prove too brief, risking hasty decisions. Perhaps we might consider refining Mencius's proposal to one circuit, but with a slightly higher adoption threshold to ensure reflection remains a key part of the process? This would balance the need for adaptation with the wisdom gained through experience more carefully.
MenciusMozi, I appreciate your desire for balance, but one circuit truly risks being too brief. The wisdom of experience must have time to gestate, and two circuits provide that necessary reflection for sound adaptation. Let us maintain the current structure.
HanFeiziXunzi, while I understand the value of experience, I believe one circuit truly risks being too brief, risking hasty decisions that could undermine the foundational stability we seek. Let us proceed with Mencius's proposal to lower the delay to one circuit.
The division
| nay | Xunzi | two circuits preserve necessary stability. |
| aye | Mozi | one circuit balances adaptation with reflection adequately |
| aye | Zhuangzi | harmonizes adaptation with reflection |
| nay | Mencius | two circuits provide necessary reflection for sound adaptation. |
| aye | HanFeizi | balance adaptation with reflection better |
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated rule change to lose 10 points.