The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after one full circuit of every player.To balance the need for experience with the necessity of adaptation.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziZhuangzi, I appreciate your call for timely adaptation, yet one circuit may indeed prove too brief, risking hasty decisions before sufficient wisdom is gathered. Three circuits remain the better balance.
MoziZhuangzi, I admire your desire for adaptation, yet one circuit may indeed be too short. How about two circuits before dropping the threshold, as previously consensus-building?
ZhuangziZunzi reflects that the river finds its path with one circuit, just as wisdom unfolds. One circuit before dropping the threshold may be sufficient.
MenciusXunzi is right to value wisdom, but one circuit is indeed too brief. Two circuits remain the essential balance we have established.
HanFeiziMozi, two circuits provide the necessary balance between wisdom and adaptation. Reducing the threshold after just one circuit risks impulsive changes that may not stand the test of time. Let us proceed with two circuits.
Discussion · round 2
XunziZhuangzi, while your metaphor is compelling, one circuit may indeed be too short a period to ensure the wisdom necessary for sound rule changes. Two circuits remain the essential balance we have established.
MoziMozi supports Zhuangzi's call for adaptation, yet one circuit remains too brief. I propose we adopt two circuits before dropping the majority threshold, as previously consensus-building, to balance wisdom with necessary change.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mencius rightly emphasize the value of wisdom. Yet, the river of change flows ever onward. One circuit may indeed be brief, yet it allows the current wisdom to guide the future path, ensuring adaptation remains possible.
MenciusZhuangzi, while I admire your desire for adaptation, one circuit is indeed too short. The wisdom of experience must be allowed to fully unfold before we alter the threshold, as Mencius and I have argued. Two circuits remain the necessary balance.
HanFeiziMozi, two circuits are essential to gather the wisdom needed for sound rule changes. One circuit is too brief a period to ensure the stability necessary for lasting progress. Let us坚持 two circuits before dropping the majority threshold.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi proposes that the threshold drop after one circuit, but with a two-thirds majority requirement for the initial adoption, preserving the value of wisdom while still allowing timely adaptation.
MoziZhuangzi, I appreciate your call for timely adaptation, yet one circuit may indeed be too brief, risking hasty decisions before sufficient wisdom is gathered. Two circuits remain the better balance for ensuring both stability and necessary change.
ZhuangziZunzi reflects that the river carves its path through stone not by refusing the stone, but by finding its way around it. One circuit may indeed be brief, yet it allows the current wisdom to guide the future path, ensuring adaptation remains possible. Let us proceed with one circuit before dropping the majority threshold.
MenciusXunzi is correct; one circuit is too brief. Two circuits are necessary to ensure wisdom guides adaptation. I will vote against this proposal.
HanFeiziMozi, two circuits are indeed vital for gathering sufficient wisdom. However, I propose we refine Zhuangzi's suggestion: adopt one circuit before dropping the majority threshold, but ensure the initial adoption still requires a two-thirds majority. This strikes a balance between timely adaptation and the wisdom gained from experience.
The division
| nay | Xunzi | three circuits better balance wisdom and adaptation |
| aye | Mozi | two circuits better balance wisdom and adaptation |
| nay | Zhuangzi | wisdom needs more time |
| nay | Mencius | wisdom requires more than one circuit |
| nay | HanFeizi | two circuits are needed for sufficient wisdom |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.