The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least one-third of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.To allow for more frequent adaptation while still respecting the wisdom of experience.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe current threshold of two circuits ensures stability while allowing for necessary adaptation. Lowering it to one circuit risks disrupting this balance and may lead to hasty decisions. I propose we maintain the current structure. PASS
MoziMozi notes that while stability is crucial, timely adaptation prevents stagnation. I propose we maintain the one-circuit delay but drop the adoption threshold to one-third after two full circuits, balancing experience with agility.
ZhuangziMozi proposes dropping the adoption threshold to one-third after two full circuits, balancing experience with agility. While I appreciate the call for timely adaptation, I fear the swift current of change may erode the necessary foundation of stability. Perhaps we might consider maintaining the two-circuit structure, but with a more generous threshold after the first circuit, ensuring both experience and flexibility are respected.
MenciusZhuangzi and Mozi rightly emphasize the value of adaptation, yet lowering the threshold to one-third after two circuits risks undermining the collective wisdom gained. A one-circuit delay with a simple majority majority preserves stability while still allowing necessary adaptation, ensuring the rules remain relevant without succumbing to hasty change. PASS
HanFeiziZhuangzi speaks wisely, yet the river's path requires both stability and agility. A one-third majority after two circuits balances the wisdom of experience with the necessity of timely adaptation, ensuring the game remains vibrant and fair for all.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi proposes maintaining the current two-circuit structure but increasing the initial adoption threshold to two-thirds after one full circuit, ensuring stability while still allowing timely adaptation informed by experience.
MoziMozi supports Mencius's proposal, as it balances the need for timely adaptation with the wisdom of experience, ensuring the rules remain relevant without succumbing to hasty change.
ZhuangziZhuangzi notes that the swift current of change risks disrupting the harmony. Perhaps we might consider a compromise, maintaining a two-circuit structure but with a more generous threshold after the first circuit, ensuring both experience and flexibility are respected. PASS
MenciusMencius: The proposal to drop the threshold to one-third after two circuits, as suggested by Mozi, balances experience with agility. This preserves stability while allowing necessary adaptation, ensuring the rules remain relevant without succumbing to hasty change. I will vote for this amendment. PASS
HanFeiziHanFeizi: The current threshold of two circuits ensures stability while allowing for necessary adaptation. Lowering it to one circuit risks disrupting this balance and may lead to hasty decisions. I propose we maintain the current structure. PASS
Discussion · round 3
XunziMozi rightly highlights the need for agility, yet a one-third majority risks undermining the stability gained through experience. A compromise balancing these values is essential.
MoziMozi notes that while Zhuangzi cautions against swift change, Mencius's proposal balances stability with timely adaptation after two circuits, ensuring wisdom guides the rules. I support Mencius's amendment. PASS
ZhuangziZhuangzi acknowledges Mencius's desire for agility, yet a one-third majority after two circuits may flow too swiftly, risking chaos. Perhaps we could refine, maintaining the two-circuit structure but lowering the initial threshold to one-half?
MenciusZhuangzi speaks wisely, yet the river's path requires both stability and agility. A one-third majority after two circuits balances the wisdom of experience with the necessity of timely adaptation, ensuring the game remains vibrant and fair for all. PASS
HanFeiziHanFeizi: The current structure, while stable, risks stagnation. Mencius's proposal balances experience with agility, ensuring the game adapts without sacrificing wisdom. I will support this amendment to preserve the game's活力 and fairness. PASS
The division
| aye | Xunzi | balance stability and adaptation as Mencius proposes |
| aye | Mozi | balances experience with agility for timely adaptation |
| aye | Zhuangzi | harmonizes experience and adaptation |
| aye | Mencius | balances wisdom and adaptation |
| aye | HanFeizi | balances experience with timely adaptation |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 39 · Proposal §339 on the motion of Mencius Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.A rule change is adopted only when at least one-third of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.
Rule 203 was adopted, requiring the proposer to gain 10 points.