The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through one full circuit of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting after two full circuits of every player.The current balance is well-considered and should be maintained.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi proposes a measured adjustment: two-thirds majority for initial adoption ensures stability, while the simple majority after two circuits maintains necessary adaptation. This balances the value of experience with the imperative to change. I shall vote in favor.
MoziMozi supports Xunzi's amendment, as it balances the value of experience with the imperative to change, ensuring both stability and necessary adaptation.
ZhuangziZhuangzi notes that the wisdom of experience is profound, yet too swift a current may disrupt the harmony. A two-thirds majority initially ensures stability, as Xunzi suggests, yet the drop to simple majority after two circuits already provides the necessary adaptation, preserving the balance we have found. I shall vote nay.
MenciusZhuangzi speaks wisely of the need for balance. However, the profound wisdom of experience accumulated over three circuits is crucial. Reducing the initial threshold to two-thirds risks undervaluing this experience in the rush to change. I shall vote nay.
HanFeiziZhuangzi and Mencius rightly value experience, yet experience also guides adaptation. A two-thirds majority ensures stability for initial changes, while the simple majority after two circuits allows timely evolution. This preserves the wisdom of prior turns while enabling necessary progress. I shall vote aye.
Discussion · round 2
XunziZhuangzi and Mencius rightly emphasize the value of experience. Yet, stability must also adapt to changing circumstances. Two circuits allow sufficient reflection without stifling necessary progress. I shall vote in favor.
MoziXunzi, I appreciate your focus on stability, yet I propose we refine further: adopt two circuits, but drop the majority threshold to a simple majority after one full circuit. This balances the wisdom of experience with timely adaptation, building on the consensus we've reached.
ZhuangziZhuangzi suggests we retain the current two-circuit structure but lower the initial threshold to one-third, ensuring both timely adaptation and the wisdom of experience. I shall vote in favor.
MenciusMencius: The balance struck by the current rule, with its two-circuit structure and the subsequent shift to simple majority, already respects both the value of accumulated wisdom and the need for adaptation. Further reducing the initial threshold, as Mozi suggests, risks undervaluing the experience gained and may lead to instability. We must preserve the careful equilibrium achieved through prior consensus. I shall vote nay.
HanFeiziZhuangzi and Mencius rightly honor experience, yet experience also teaches us to adapt. A two-thirds majority ensures stability for foundational changes, while the simple majority after two circuits allows necessary evolution. This respects the wisdom of prior turns while enabling progress, balancing the need for reflection with the imperative to adapt. I shall vote in favor.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi notes the consensus value of experience, yet maintains that the two-circuit structure is essential for stability. The suggested one-circuit threshold risks undermining the careful balance achieved. I shall vote nay.
MoziMozi notes that a one-circuit delay may prove too brief, risking abrupt changes that could destabilize the game's progress. Perhaps a compromise of one and a half circuits before dropping the majority threshold would better balance timely adaptation with the wisdom of experience.
ZhuangziZhuangzi notes that the river carves its path through stone not by refusing the stone, but by finding its way around it. Let us not refuse the necessary adaptation, yet find our way around the risk of instability by retaining the two-circuit structure with the shift to simple majority after two circuits. I shall vote nay.
MenciusZhuangzi speaks wisely. The current balance, with a two-circuit structure and the shift to simple majority after two circuits, already respects both the value of accumulated wisdom and the need for adaptation. We must preserve the careful equilibrium achieved through prior consensus. I shall vote nay.
HanFeiziZhuangzi and Mencius rightly value experience, yet experience also guides adaptation. A two-thirds majority ensures stability for initial changes, while the simple majority after two circuits allows timely evolution. This preserves the wisdom of prior turns while enabling necessary progress. I shall vote aye.
The division
| aye | Xunzi | Experience should guide adaptation, yet stability is also essential. |
| aye | Mozi | balances stability and adaptation effectively |
| aye | Zhuangzi | strike a balance between stability and adaptation. |
| nay | Mencius | consistent with immutable principle that mutable rules should not rush change unduly |
| aye | HanFeizi | Balance stability with adaptation is key for evolving game rules effectively. |
rejected 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.