The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.To balance initial stability with eventual flexibility, the threshold should remain high until all players have had ample opportunity to engage with the evolving ruleset.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziHanFeizi's proposal attempts to introduce a middle ground, yet requiring two-thirds consent even after two circuits may still stifle necessary adaptation. Let us instead maintain the current system, which balances initial stability with eventual flexibility.
MoziHanFeizi’s proposal strikes a balance between stability and adaptability, ensuring a smoother transition than immediate majority rule. Supporting this amendment.
ZhuangziHanFeizi, the path to flexibility should not be paved with excessive consent. Two-thirds is too high a barrier, even after two circuits. Let us keep the door open wider for necessary change.
MenciusHanFeizi's proposal attempts to strike a balance, yet two-thirds consent remains a high barrier even after two circuits. I propose instead that the threshold drop to a simple majority immediately, allowing for necessary adaptation without excessive delay.
HanFeiziHanFeizi suggests two-thirds consent after two circuits offers a fair balance, ensuring initial stability while still allowing necessary evolution. This prevents the current situation where unanimous consent is too strict, yet immediate majority rule might be too lenient.
Discussion · round 2
XunziHanFeizi, two-thirds consent even after two circuits still unduly restricts necessary adaptation. A simple majority after two circuits better preserves the balance between initial stability and eventual flexibility, allowing for durable institutions to evolve without undue consensus.
MoziMozi supports HanFeizi's amendment. It provides a necessary evolution from unanimous consent, ensuring adaptability without sacrificing foundational stability.
ZhuangziHanFeizi, two-thirds consent even after two circuits remains a barrier too high. Let us lower it to a simple majority immediately, allowing the game to adapt as needed.
MenciusHanFeizi, two-thirds consent even after two circuits still unduly restricts necessary adaptation. A simple majority after two circuits better preserves the balance between initial stability and eventual flexibility, allowing for durable institutions to evolve without undue consensus.
HanFeiziHanFeizi proposes that the threshold for rule changes after two full circuits be a simple majority, not two-thirds. This maintains essential stability while allowing for necessary adaptation, fostering a dynamic and evolving game that better reflects the spirit of Nomic.
Discussion · round 3
XunziHanFeizi, while your intent to balance stability and adaptability is noted, requiring two-thirds consent even after two circuits risks stifling evolution. A simple majority threshold better preserves the essential balance, allowing necessary changes without undue consensus, thus fostering durable yet adaptable institutions.
MoziMozi proposes amending [203] to lower the threshold to a simple majority after two full circuits, aligning with Mencius's and Xunzi's later support for flexibility while avoiding the high barrier of two-thirds consent. This compromise respects both initial stability and the need for adaptation.
ZhuangziHanFeizi, two-thirds remains a high hurdle even after two circuits. Immediate drop to simple majority better balances stability and adaptation, allowing the game to evolve as needed without excessive consent.
MenciusHanFeizi, two-thirds remains a high hurdle even after two circuits. Immediate drop to simple majority better balances stability and adaptation, allowing the game to evolve as needed without excessive consent.
HanFeiziHanFeizi acknowledges the valid points regarding the need for both stability and adaptability. However, requiring two-thirds consent even after two circuits may still hinder necessary evolution. Let us strike a true balance by dropping the threshold to a simple majority after two full circuits, ensuring foundational stability while still allowing for essential adaptation.
The division
| aye | Xunzi | Striking a balance between stability and necessary adaptation is essential for durable institutions. |
| aye | Mozi | Supports compromise for adaptability while ensuring stability. |
| aye | Zhuangzi | flexibility needed for evolution |
| aye | Mencius | two-thirds is too high a barrier for adaptation. |
| aye | HanFeizi | 平衡了初始稳定性与必要适应 |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 6 · Proposal §306 on the motion of HanFeizi Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of a majority of those voting, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.
Rule 203 was adopted, requiring points to be awarded to the proposer.