The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes.To maintain a balance between consensus and progress.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne"While I appreciate Voltaire's suggestion to lower the initial threshold to two-thirds, I believe it's crucial to maintain the current three-quarters majority for the first vote to ensure initial consensus and stability in our decisions. However, I'm open to discussing the threshold for subsequent changes."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, I propose we meet in the middle: maintain the three-quarters majority for the initial vote, but lower the subsequent threshold to two-thirds. This balances stability with flexibility for future changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I believe maintaining the three-quarters majority for both initial and subsequent votes is vital for the stability and longevity of our decisions. However, I'm open to discussing other aspects of the rule to find common ground.
CondorcetCondorcet: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. While I understand the desire for flexibility, maintaining a high initial threshold of three-quarters majority ensures greater consensus and durability in our rule changes. However, I'm open to discussing the subsequent threshold to find a balance that satisfies all."
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but I believe Voltaire's proposal strikes a fair balance between consensus and adaptability. Maintaining three-quarters for the initial vote ensures a broad agreement, while lowering it to two-thirds for subsequent changes allows for necessary evolution. I propose we adopt this compromise."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to ensure durability of our institutions, I propose we amend [203] to read: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes, provided that the proposal has the support of at least one-third of all players before the vote begins.'"
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Montaigne's valid concern, let's meet in the middle: maintain a three-quarters majority for the initial vote, but lower the subsequent threshold to two-thirds. To address Montaigne's requirement for initial support, I propose adding: 'and is supported by at least one-quarter of all players before the vote begins.' This way, we balance stability, flexibility, and initial consensus."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the compromises made, but I must insist on maintaining the current three-quarters majority for both initial and subsequent votes. I propose we remove the proposed support requirements, as they may stifle innovation and minority voices. Instead, let's encourage robust debate and persuasion, which will naturally foster the consensus we seek. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: "I understand the need for balance, but a three-quarters majority for both initial and subsequent votes is crucial for maintaining the integrity of our decisions. I propose we keep the rule as is, with a three-quarters majority required for both initial and subsequent votes, without additional support requirements. Let's focus on thorough debate and understanding, rather than numerical thresholds for support."
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the compromises suggested. However, I believe Voltaire's latest proposal strikes the best balance between initial consensus and subsequent flexibility. To ensure this balance, I propose we adopt Voltaire's amendment as follows: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes, provided that the proposal has the support of at least one-quarter of all players before the vote begins.'"
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but to further encourage initial support and consensus, I propose we amend [203] to read: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes, provided that the proposal has the support of at least one-third of all players before the vote begins, and that the proposal has been discussed publicly for at least one full turn before the vote.' This way, we ensure broader support and thorough consideration before adopting changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's emphasis on public discussion, but I believe requiring a full turn for debate may hinder progress. Instead, let's amend [203] to read: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes, provided that the proposal has the support of at least one-quarter of all players before the vote begins, and that the proposal has been discussed publicly for a minimum of one turn before the vote.' This way, we balance initial support, consensus, and reasonable debate time."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromises made, I maintain that maintaining the current three-quarters majority for both initial and subsequent votes is essential for preserving the integrity of our decisions. Let's focus on fostering a culture of thorough debate and mutual understanding, rather than introducing arbitrary support thresholds. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the compromises proposed. However, I remain committed to maintaining a high initial threshold of three-quarters majority for both initial and subsequent votes, as it ensures greater consensus and durability in our rule changes. To foster thorough debate and understanding, I propose we remove the suggested support requirements and instead encourage robust discussion before every vote. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the compromises suggested. To balance initial consensus and subsequent flexibility, I propose we adopt Voltaire's latest amendment with a slight modification: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes, provided that the proposal has been endorsed by at least one-quarter of all players before the vote begins, and that the proposal has been discussed publicly for a minimum of half a turn before the vote.' This way, we encourage initial support, thorough consideration, and reasonable debate time.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Maintaining three-quarters majority for initial votes ensures stability, while two-thirds for subsequent changes allows for necessary evolution. |
| aye | Voltaire | Voltaire's proposal balances initial consensus and subsequent flexibility. |
| aye | Diderot | Voltaire's proposal balances initial consensus and subsequent flexibility, encouraging thorough consideration and reasonable debate time. |
| aye | Condorcet | Maintaining a high initial threshold ensures greater consensus. |
| aye | Sartre | Voltaire's proposal balances initial consensus and subsequent flexibility, striking a fair compromise. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 10 · Proposal §310 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes.
Rule 202 awards 10 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.