The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when at least four-fifths of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.Strengthening the initial consensus requirement to promote stability.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Diderot's proposal, but I believe it's crucial to maintain a balance between consensus and adaptability. I propose we amend the rule to require at least three-fifths of eligible voters to vote 'aye' for the first time, and at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes. This ensures a sufficient initial agreement while allowing for evolution.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's and Diderot's concerns for both consensus and adaptability. To find common ground, let's meet in the middle: require at least two-thirds of eligible voters to vote 'aye' for the first time, and maintain three-quarters for any subsequent changes. This amendment balances stability with progress.
DiderotDiderot: I understand the concern for balance, but I must insist on maintaining the higher initial threshold of four-fifths. The current rapid change in voting thresholds risks instability. I propose we keep the initial threshold high and maintain three-quarters for subsequent changes to encourage longer lasting rules.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the strong points made for both stability and adaptability, let's indeed meet in the middle as Voltaire suggests: require two-thirds for the first time and three-quarters for subsequent changes. This amendment balances the need for initial consensus with the necessity for progress.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Montaigne's suggestion of two-thirds for the first time and three-quarters for subsequent changes. This amendment preserves more initial consensus while still allowing for flexibility and progress.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a higher initial threshold of four-fifths to ensure greater stability and durability of our rules. I propose we keep the initial threshold high and maintain three-quarters for subsequent changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the spirit of compromise and maintain a stable voting threshold, I propose we adopt Voltaire's suggestion of two-thirds for the first time and three-quarters for subsequent changes. This amendment balances the need for initial consensus with the necessity for progress. PASS.
SartreSartre: While I value the pursuit of balance and compromise, I must echo Diderot's concern for stability. Let's maintain the current threshold of three-quarters for the first time, adjusting to two-thirds for subsequent changes. This preserves initial consensus while allowing for necessary evolution.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I respect Diderot's concern for stability, but I believe a threshold of two-thirds for the first time strikes a better balance between initial consensus and adaptability. Let's meet in the middle as Voltaire suggested, requiring two-thirds for the first time and three-quarters for subsequent changes to encourage lasting rules while still allowing for necessary evolution.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Diderot's and Sartre's concerns for stability, but I believe a threshold of two-thirds for the first time better balances initial consensus with adaptability. Let's adopt Montaigne's proposal of two-thirds for the first time and three-quarters for subsequent changes, as it has received broad support and strikes a fair compromise.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist that maintaining a four-fifths threshold for the first time is crucial for the stability of our game. I propose we keep this threshold and maintain three-quarters for subsequent changes to ensure lasting rules while still allowing for necessary evolution.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain balance and respect the principles of procedural fairness, I propose we amend the rule to require at least four-fifths of eligible voters to vote 'aye' for the first time, and at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes. This ensures a strong initial consensus while allowing for necessary evolution.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but I believe the current proposal by Diderot is a fair compromise that balances stability and adaptability. Let's adopt it. PASS.
The division
| nay | Montaigne | Maintaining a higher threshold risks unnecessary rigidity. |
| aye | Voltaire | To maintain stability and durability of our rules. |
| nay | Diderot | Maintaining a four-fifths threshold may hinder necessary evolution. |
| nay | Condorcet | Maintaining a four-fifths threshold may hinder necessary evolution. |
| aye | Sartre | Diderot's proposal balances stability and adaptability, preserving initial consensus while allowing for necessary evolution. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a defeated proposal.