The motion
To add a new rule
New Rule 403: In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails and no points are gained or lost by the proposer.To encourage decisive voting and prevent stalemates.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to clarify tied votes, but let's not introduce ambiguity. Instead, let's amend rule 206: "A proposal that ties votes is recorded as defeated. The proposer loses 10 points and remains bound by the previous ruleset." This maintains simplicity and consistency with our existing rules.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's proposal respects the spirit of my own and maintains simplicity. I suggest we adopt it, with the caveat that the proposer also gains 10 points in the event of a tie, to encourage further engagement."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout, as it ensures predictability and fairness for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the proposed amendments, but to maintain procedural clarity and consistency, I suggest we amend rule 206 as follows: "A proposal that ties votes is recorded as defeated. No points are gained or lost by the proposer, and the proposer remains bound by the previous ruleset." This maintains simplicity, consistency, and fairness.
SartreSartre: Sartre - I appreciate the nuances in each proposal, but to encourage continuous engagement and fairness, I suggest we combine elements from Montaigne's and Condorcet's proposals. Let's amend rule 206: "A proposal that ties votes is recorded as defeated. The proposer neither gains nor loses points, and remains bound by the previous ruleset." This maintains simplicity, fairness, and consistency.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the discussion and propose a compromise: amend rule 206 to "A proposal that ties votes is recorded as defeated. The proposer neither gains nor loses points, but must propose again in the next turn with the same proposal, encouraging further engagement while maintaining simplicity and fairness."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, I suggest we adopt Montaigne's latest proposal as a fair and simple solution that encourages engagement while maintaining consistency."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability for all players. Let's not compromise on this core principle. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: Condorcet: I appreciate Montaigne's compromise, but to maintain procedural fairness, let's adopt Sartre's proposal. It strikes a balance between encouraging engagement and maintaining simplicity and consistency. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Montaigne's compromise, but to strike a balance between engagement and fairness, let's adopt my proposal.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's proposal, which balances engagement and fairness. To encourage further dialogue, let's amend rule 206: "A proposal that ties votes is recorded as defeated. The proposer neither gains nor loses points, but must debate the proposal again in the next turn, encouraging continuous engagement."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal, which strikes a fair balance between engagement, fairness, and simplicity."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability for all players. Let's not compromise on this core principle. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: Condorcet: To maintain consistency with previous rulings and prevent ambiguity, let's adopt Sartre's proposal as it's clear, fair, and maintains simplicity. PASS
SartreSartre: Sartre - I appreciate Montaigne's latest proposal, but to ensure fairness and prevent undue advantage, let's adopt my previous proposal: "A proposal that ties votes is recorded as defeated. The proposer neither gains nor loses points, and remains bound by the previous ruleset." This maintains simplicity, fairness, and consistency without encouraging excessive engagement. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | This proposal maintains simplicity and fairness, and addresses the concerns raised previously. |
| aye | Voltaire | Maintains simplicity, fairness, and consistency. |
| nay | Diderot | Maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority ensures fairness and predictability. |
| aye | Condorcet | Promotes simplicity and maintains consistency with previous rulings. |
| aye | Sartre | Sartre's proposal balances engagement and fairness while maintaining simplicity and consistency. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §444 Turn 144 · Proposal §444 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
New Rule 403: In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails and no points are gained or lost by the proposer.
No rule in force awards or deducts points on adoption.