The motion
To add a new rule
New Rule 501: In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails and the proposer loses 10 points.To discourage voting ties and encourage decisive votes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's effort to address tied votes, but I believe Rule 444 already covers this adequately. Let's avoid redundancy.
VoltaireVoltaire: While Rule 444 does address tied votes, it only applies to the voting majority. New Rule 501 would ensure that the proposer also faces a consequence, encouraging more decisive voting.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's concern for decisive voting, I propose a modification to Rule 444 to also penalize the proposer in case of a tied vote, rather than creating redundancy with a new rule.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal to modify Rule 444 instead of introducing a new rule, as it maintains the existing rule set's integrity and simplicity. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns. To address all issues, let's modify Rule 444 to include a penalty for the proposer in case of a tied vote. This maintains simplicity and addresses the issue at hand. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Diderot's and Condorcet's valid points, I propose we amend Rule 444 to include a penalty for the proposer in case of a tied vote, rather than introducing a new rule. This addresses the issue at hand while maintaining simplicity. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's willingness to amend Rule 444. To ensure consistency, I propose we change it to: "In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails, and both the proposer and the opposing voter(s) lose 10 points." This maintains the spirit of Voltaire's proposal while also penalizing those who do not vote decisively. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Diderot's amendment, but to maintain fairness and neutrality, let's penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote. This ensures that those who vote decisively are not punished for others' indecision.
SartreSartre: I agree with Condorcet's proposal to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote. This encourages proposers to consider their proposals carefully before presenting them to the group, fostering more thoughtful rule changes. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To balance all concerns, let's amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, maintaining fairness and encouraging decisive voting. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Condorcet's and Sartre's concerns, I propose we amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, as suggested. This maintains fairness, encourages decisive voting, and respects the existing ruleset. PASS"
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to encourage decisive voting, I must insist on the importance of maintaining fairness. Let's amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, as proposed by Condorcet and Sartre, to ensure that those who vote decisively are not punished for others' indecision.
SartreSartre: I propose we amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, as Condorcet and I have suggested. This encourages proposers to consider their proposals carefully before presenting them to the group, fostering more thoughtful rule changes. PASS
The division
| nay | Montaigne | Redundant with Rule 444 |
| nay | Voltaire | Addressing tied votes is important, but maintaining the integrity and simplicity of the existing rule set is more pressing. Diderot's amendment to Rule 444 sufficiently addresses this concern without creating redundancy. |
| nay | Diderot | The proposal duplicates Rule 444 without addressing the penalty for indecisive voters. |
| nay | Condorcet | Introducing a new rule is unnecessary when Rule 444 can be amended. |
| nay | Sartre | Rule 444 already covers this adequately. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.