The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted.To balance initial consensus with adaptability as we approach the target score.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne"I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to ensure durability and stability of our institutions, I suggest maintaining the two-thirds majority for the first rule change and shifting to a simple majority only after the first change is adopted."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, I propose we meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first rule change, and then shift to a simple majority after that, as Montaigne suggests. This way, we balance initial consensus with adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the compromise reached, I must insist on maintaining the current two-thirds majority for all rule changes to preserve initial consensus and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I appreciate the balance sought between consensus and adaptability, I must insist on maintaining the current two-thirds majority for all rule changes to uphold the principle of substantial agreement."
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the debate, but let's consider a majority that adapts over time. I propose we shift to a simple majority after the first rule change, then gradually increase the threshold by one voter at a time every five turns, capping at three-quarters majority. This balances initial consensus with evolution."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but to maintain a balance between stability and adaptability, let's meet in the middle: keep the initial two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority after the first change, and cap it at two-thirds for any subsequent changes."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's latest proposal. This way, we balance stability, adaptability, and initial consensus effectively."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining the current two-thirds majority for all rule changes to preserve initial consensus and stability, as it ensures that a significant majority supports each change.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must reiterate my support for maintaining a two-thirds majority for all rule changes to uphold the principle of substantial agreement, as it ensures that a significant majority supports each change.
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments and the proximity to the target score, let's adopt my proposal to gradually increase the threshold, capping at three-quarters majority. This encourages evolution while maintaining a high bar for consensus."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate the balance sought, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, I suggest we cap the majority at two-thirds, with a gradual increase as Sartre proposes, but capping at two-thirds rather than three-quarters."
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: cap the majority at two-thirds instead of three-quarters, as Montaigne suggests. This maintains a high bar for initial consensus while allowing for evolution."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining the current two-thirds majority for all rule changes to preserve initial consensus and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for evolution, I must maintain my stance for a two-thirds majority to ensure substantial agreement and protect the integrity of our ruleset.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the effort towards compromise, but let's consider a more gradual evolution. I propose we increment the majority threshold by one voter every ten turns, starting from two-thirds, and cap it at four-fifths. This encourages progress while maintaining a strong consensus."
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Balances stability and adaptability, meeting in the middle as proposed by Voltaire and Montaigne. |
| aye | Voltaire | Balances stability and adaptability while considering the proximity to the target score. |
| nay | Diderot | Maintaining initial consensus is crucial for the stability of our ruleset. |
| aye | Condorcet | Maintaining a high initial threshold ensures substantial agreement, which aligns with my proceduralist principles. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages initial consensus while allowing for gradual evolution. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 17 · Proposal §317 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted.
Rule 202 awards 10 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.