The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least a simple majority for any subsequent changes.To find common ground, let's adopt Montaigne's latest proposal.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's cap the threshold at two-thirds majority throughout the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the balance of arguments and the proximity to the target score, let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial rule changes, but shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes once the first rule change is adopted.
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and initial consensus.
CondorcetPASS. I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority threshold is crucial for initial consensus and stability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. Let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first rule change, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This balances stability and adaptability as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the strong points made for both stability and adaptability, let's indeed meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's proposal. This balance respects initial consensus while allowing for evolution as the game progresses.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first rule change, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, but cap the majority at two-thirds for any rule change that would significantly alter the game's core mechanics."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and initial consensus, even for rule changes that significantly alter core mechanics.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire to adapt the voting threshold, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve stability and initial consensus, as per rule 211.
SartreSartre: Let's consider a compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for the first three rule changes to ensure initial stability, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, but maintain a two-thirds majority for any rule change that would significantly alter the game's core mechanics. This balances adaptability, stability, and respect for initial consensus.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the desire for a clear threshold shift, let's adopt Sartre's compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for the first three rule changes, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, with a cap of two-thirds for core mechanic alterations. This balances stability, adaptability, and respect for initial consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain two-thirds majority for the first two rule changes, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, and maintain a two-thirds majority for any rule change that would significantly alter the game's core mechanics. This respects initial consensus, allows for evolution, and maintains a clear threshold shift."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game for all rule changes, including those that significantly alter core mechanics, to preserve stability and initial consensus.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a principled proceduralist, I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority threshold is essential for maintaining initial consensus and stability throughout the game. I must insist on this even for rule changes that significantly alter core mechanics, as per rule 211.
SartreSartre: Let's adapt Voltaire's proposal, maintaining two-thirds majority for the first two rule changes, then shifting to a simple majority, but requiring a two-thirds majority for any rule change that alters the target score or the turn order. This respects initial consensus, allows for evolution, and maintains balance.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Voltaire's proposal balances stability and adaptability while respecting initial consensus |
| aye | Voltaire | Respects initial consensus, allows for evolution, and maintains a clear threshold shift. |
| nay | Diderot | Consistency is key; a two-thirds majority should be maintained throughout. |
| nay | Condorcet | Maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold is crucial for initial consensus and stability. |
| aye | Sartre | Voltaire's proposal balances stability, adaptability, and respect for initial consensus. |
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.