The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 15 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.To encourage consensus-building and reward minority support
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal to increase the points gained for voting against an adopted change. However, I believe that maintaining the current 10 points strike a better balance between rewarding opposition and encouraging consensus. Let's not make opposition too lucrative, lest it disincentivize cooperation.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To encourage more active participation in voting, I propose increasing the points for voting against an adopted change to 15. This maintains the balance between rewarding opposition and promoting consensus, while also acknowledging the value of dissenting views."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect Voltaire's intent to incentivize active voting, I must insist on maintaining the current 10 points. A higher reward might disincentivize players from supporting proposals they genuinely agree with, fostering strategic voting instead of sincere consensus.
CondorcetPASS. I agree with Montaigne and Diderot that increasing the points for voting against an adopted change to 15 may disincentivize cooperation and foster strategic voting.
SartrePASS. I respect Voltaire's proposal, but I agree with Montaigne and Diderot that maintaining the current points system encourages a balance between dissent and consensus.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's concern for encouraging active voting, but I must stand by my previous argument. Let's maintain the current points system to preserve a balance between dissent and consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, let's meet in the middle and increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12. This still acknowledges the value of dissenting views while preserving the balance between dissent and consensus."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's compromise, I must insist on maintaining the current 10 points to preserve a balance between dissent and consensus, and to discourage strategic voting.
CondorcetCondorcet: I propose a compromise: increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first three rule changes, then revert to 10 points to discourage strategic voting as the game progresses. This encourages initial engagement while maintaining balance later on.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's compromise proposal. To further encourage initial engagement and maintain balance later on, let's increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first five rule changes, then revert to 10 points.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering Condorcet's and Sartre's proposals, let's meet in the middle and increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first three rule changes, then revert to 10 points to balance initial engagement and maintain balance as the game progresses."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the compromise reached. To further encourage engagement throughout the game, let's increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first five rule changes, then gradually reduce to 10 points over the next five changes, before reverting to 10 points."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to encourage engagement throughout the game, I must insist on maintaining the current 10 points to preserve a balance between dissent and consensus, and to discourage strategic voting. Let's not overcomplicate the points system. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but I maintain that capping the increased points at 12 for the first five rule changes strikes a better balance between encouraging initial engagement and maintaining a consistent points system throughout the game. Let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's proposal.
SartreSartre: "Given the consensus on encouraging initial engagement, let's compromise and increase points to 12 for the first four rule changes, then gradually reduce to 10 over the next four, before reverting to 10 points. This maintains balance while acknowledging the value of initial participation."
The division
| nay | Montaigne | Maintaining 10 points balances dissent and consensus. |
| nay | Voltaire | Maintaining 10 points balances dissent and consensus, while 15 might disincentivize cooperation. |
| nay | Diderot | Maintaining 10 points strikes a better balance between dissent and consensus. |
| nay | Condorcet | Increases strategic voting disincentives. |
| nay | Sartre | Increasing points to 15 disincentivizes cooperation and fosters strategic voting. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.