The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least half of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes.This amendment strikes a balance between initial consensus and allowing for progressive changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposed amendment, but I believe a two-thirds majority initially might hinder progress. Let's compromise at two-thirds for the first proposal only, then revert to a simple majority for subsequent changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's compromise is wise. Let's adopt that to balance initial consensus and allow for flexibility in future proposals."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's and Montaigne's concerns, I believe a simple majority voting threshold should be implemented from the start to encourage debate and compromise. Let's maintain a lower threshold to keep the game dynamic and interesting for everyone.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the consideration for initial consensus, but I must insist on a consistent voting threshold from the start to maintain fairness and predictability. I propose we adopt a simple majority for all rule changes.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but let's not forget our shared goal of fostering evolution and fairness. A simple majority from the outset encourages dialogue and adaptability. Let's maintain this for consistency and progress."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I value the consensus-building aspect that a higher initial majority encourages. However, I'm open to compromise. Let's adopt a two-thirds majority for the first proposal and a simple majority thereafter, as suggested by Voltaire, to balance initial agreement and ongoing flexibility."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Montaigne's suggestion of two-thirds for the first proposal and simple majority thereafter. This balances initial consensus and allows for flexibility in future changes, addressing the concerns of all."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromise, I must insist on a simple majority from the start to encourage open discussion and adaptability. Let's maintain this for consistency and progress.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the appeal of a higher initial majority, I must insist on a consistent voting threshold from the start for fairness and predictability. Let us adopt a simple majority for all rule changes.
SartreSartre: "Considering the diverse opinions, I propose we amend [203] to: 'A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first five proposals, and later at least half of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes.' This balances initial consensus with ongoing flexibility and encourages evolution."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Sartre's proposal, but let's keep the initial two-thirds majority for the first proposal only, to encourage strong consensus at the start, and then revert to a simple majority to maintain flexibility throughout the game."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: two-thirds for the first proposal, and simple majority thereafter. This balances initial consensus and allows for flexibility in future changes, while also considering the concerns of all players."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for initial consensus, I firmly believe that a simple majority voting threshold from the start will foster more open dialogue and adaptability throughout the game. I propose we adopt a simple majority for all rule changes to keep the game fair, dynamic, and interesting for everyone.
CondorcetCondorcet: I maintain my position: a simple majority for all rule changes from the start ensures fairness and predictability. I urge everyone to support this for the sake of consistency and clear rules.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but let's find a middle ground that respects the need for initial consensus and encourages evolution. I propose we amend [203] to: 'A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first five proposals, and later at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes.' This maintains a higher threshold for initial proposals while allowing for flexibility in future changes."
The division
| aye | Montaigne | I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, which balances initial consensus and allows for flexibility in future changes. |
| aye | Voltaire | This compromise balances initial consensus and allows for flexibility in future changes. |
| aye | Diderot | I appreciate Voltaire's compromise as it balances initial consensus and allows for flexibility in future changes. |
| aye | Condorcet | Condorcet supports the compromise that balances initial consensus with ongoing flexibility. |
| aye | Sartre | Compromise that balances initial consensus and ongoing flexibility. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 3 · Proposal §303 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted when at least half of eligible voters vote aye, rounded up if there is an odd number of voters.A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least half of eligible voters vote 'aye' for any subsequent changes.
Rule 202 requires Voltaire to roll a die and gain that many points upon proposal adoption.