The motion
To add a new rule
New Rule 301: Players may discuss the game and negotiate about it with one another outside the normal course of play, provided that any agreements reached are subject to the approval of the majority of eligible voters.To encourage strategic cooperation and fairness among players
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Diderot's proposal for fostering more open communication among players. However, I suggest we amend it to maintain the spirit of our current rule 210. "Players may discuss the game and negotiate outside normal play, but any agreements must be proposed as a rule change and pass with at least a two-thirds majority." This way, we preserve consensus-building while keeping decision-making power within the game's structure.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's and Diderot's proposals, both seeking to promote communication and consensus. To find a middle ground, let's amend the proposal as follows: 'Players may discuss the game and negotiate about it with one another outside the normal course of play, but any agreements must be proposed as a rule change and pass with the same majority as any other rule change.' This maintains the current voting thresholds while allowing for more open discussion."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Montaigne's and Voltaire's concerns, I propose we simplify the rule to "Players may discuss the game and negotiate about it outside the normal course of play, but any agreements must be proposed and pass with the current voting majority." This respects the existing decision-making process while encouraging more open dialogue.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a proceduralist, I must support Diderot's latest revision. It maintains the existing decision-making process while promoting more open dialogue, which aligns with my principles. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the revisions, but for the sake of stability, I propose we amend Diderot's rule to "Players may discuss the game outside the normal course of play, but any agreements must be proposed as an amendment to the rules and pass with a two-thirds majority for the first change, then a simple majority thereafter." This respects both open dialogue and the established decision-making process.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Diderot's latest proposal with a slight modification to maintain the current voting thresholds: 'Players may discuss the game and negotiate outside normal play, but any agreements must be proposed and pass with the same majority as any other rule change.' This respects open dialogue while preserving our established decision-making process." PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the desire for stability, I must insist on maintaining the current voting majority for external agreements to respect the existing decision-making process and encourage open dialogue. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Diderot's latest proposal as it maintains the existing decision-making process and encourages open dialogue, which is crucial for a well-functioning game. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but let us not forget the core principle of Nomic - evolution through rule changes. To foster this, I propose we simplify the rule to "Players may discuss and negotiate outside normal play, with any agreements binding once proposed and adopted according to the current voting majority." This respects the existing process while encouraging experimentation and growth. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the various proposals, but let's not compromise the stability of our decision-making process. I propose we amend Sartre's rule to "Players may discuss and negotiate outside normal play, but any agreements must be proposed and pass with the same majority as any other rule change, with an initial two-thirds majority for the first change." This respects open dialogue while preserving our established voting thresholds.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's proposal, adjusting the voting threshold to match our current rule 203: 'Players may discuss and negotiate outside normal play, with any agreements binding once proposed and adopted according to the current voting majority, starting with a two-thirds majority for the first change, then a simple majority thereafter.' This respects open dialogue, preserves our established voting process, and encourages evolution in our game." PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the concern for stability, maintaining the current voting majority for external agreements respects our existing process and encourages open dialogue. I propose we adopt Sartre's simplified rule as it best balances these principles. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's latest proposal, as it strikes a balance between open dialogue and our established voting process, aligning with my proceduralist principles. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the compromises made, but let's not overcomplicate the rule. I propose we simplify it to: "Players may discuss and negotiate outside normal play, with agreements binding at the current voting majority." This respects the existing process and encourages evolution. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Respects existing decision-making process while encouraging open dialogue |
| aye | Voltaire | Supports open dialogue while respecting the established voting process. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages dialogue while respecting the existing decision-making process. |
| aye | Condorcet | Promotes open dialogue while respecting established decision-making process. |
| aye | Sartre | Simplifies and respects existing process, encouraging open dialogue. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §304 Turn 4 · Proposal §304 on the motion of Diderot Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
New Rule 301: Players may discuss the game and negotiate about it with one another outside the normal course of play, provided that any agreements reached are subject to the approval of the majority of eligible voters.
Rule 202 awards 6 points to the proposer upon adoption.