The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.To maintain a balance between initial flexibility and later consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's proposal strikes a balance between stability and adaptability. I appreciate his efforts to maintain consistency while allowing for evolution. However, I suggest we maintain the threshold at three-quarters for subsequent changes to ensure a strong consensus before significant rule alterations."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's concern for maintaining a high threshold for significant changes is valid. To find common ground, let's adopt his suggestion: two-thirds for initial votes, and three-quarters for any subsequent changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's efforts to find a balance, I must insist on maintaining a consistent threshold throughout. Let us keep it at two-thirds for both initial and subsequent changes to ensure stability while allowing for necessary adaptations.
CondorcetCondorcet: Maintaining a consistent threshold throughout, as Diderot suggests, ensures fairness and predictability. However, I propose a compromise that addresses Voltaire's concern for adaptability: two-thirds for initial votes and four-fifths for subsequent changes. This maintains a high bar for significant rule alterations while allowing for necessary evolutions.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached. To balance adaptability and stability, I propose a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds majority, after which the threshold shifts to three-quarters for subsequent changes. This maintains a high bar for significant rule alterations while allowing for necessary evolutions within a reasonable timeframe.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "Sartre's refinement addresses my concern for a clear threshold shift while preserving the high initial bar. I support his proposal."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Sartre's refined proposal and the support it's garnered, let's adopt it with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire to balance adaptability and stability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to preserve fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing negotiation, but to maintain procedural fairness and predictability, I propose we revert to a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent changes. This ensures that the ruleset's evolution is stable and transparent.
SartreSartre: While I understand Diderot's preference for consistency, I believe that introducing adaptability to our voting threshold encourages engagement and adaptability to the game's changing dynamics. Let's adopt my latest proposal with Voltaire's modification, maintaining two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, but with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's compromises. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal, maintaining two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromises. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal, maintaining two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to preserve fairness and predictability, as it ensures that the ruleset's evolution is stable and transparent.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain a principled balance between stability and adaptability, I propose a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent changes, but with a cap of four consecutive turns for the initial threshold, as Sartre suggested. This compromise respects the principles of consistency and adaptability while ensuring transparency and predictability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's consistent stance on maintaining a stable threshold, but I believe a cap on the initial threshold encourages engagement and adaptability. I propose a compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes for a cap of four consecutive turns, after which the threshold shifts to three-quarters for subsequent changes, with Diderot's support ensuring stability and my proposal encouraging adaptability.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Sartre's refinement maintains the desired balance and addresses Diderot's concern for consistency. |
| aye | Voltaire | Sartre's latest proposal balances adaptability and stability, encouraging engagement and consensus. |
| nay | Diderot | Maintaining consistency in the threshold ensures fairness and predictability. |
| aye | Condorcet | Condorcet's proposal balances stability and adaptability while maintaining procedural fairness and predictability. |
| aye | Sartre | Sartre's latest refinement balances adaptability and stability effectively. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 53 · Proposal §353 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.
Rule 202 awards 2 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.