The motion
To amend §203
Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.To balance the wisdom of past consensus with the need for timely adaptation.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi supports the consensus reached in Turns 7 and 13, which maintains the unanimous threshold after two circuits, providing essential stability for collective decision-making. PASS
MoziXunzi, I appreciate the emphasis on stability, yet allowing a simple majority after two circuits could encourage broader participation without sacrificing the foundational consensus we've established. Let's test this adaptation.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability. The current unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus for stability's vital role in collective decision-making, and I believe it wise to honor this consensus. PASS
MenciusXunzi, the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits is not merely about stability, but about ensuring that every player's assent is required, reflecting the spirit of mutual respect and fairness inherent in the game's structure. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, I admire your desire to encourage participation, yet the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with fairness, ensuring every player's voice is heard. Let's honor the wisdom of the collective in Turns 7 and 13. PASS
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi supports the consensus reached in Turns 7 and 13, which maintains the unanimous threshold after two circuits, providing essential stability for collective decision-making. PASS
MoziXunzi, Zhuangzi, Mencius, HanFeizi, I understand and respect the strong consensus for stability expressed in Turns 7 and 13. To build on that foundation while gently encouraging participation, I propose we adopt the simple majority threshold after two circuits, as Zhuangzi suggests, but with a small incentive for participation. Let's test this adaptation, ensuring stability remains paramount.
ZhuangziMozi, while your intent to encourage participation is understood, the profound wisdom reflected in the 20-0 consensus of Turns 7 and 13 for stability suggests we honor that established harmony. Let the current unanimous threshold stand. PASS
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits is a well-tested principle reflecting collective agreement. It embodies fairness and stability, essential for mutual respect in Nomic. Let us honor the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 and maintain the current requirement. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, I appreciate your desire to encourage participation, yet the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with fairness, ensuring every player's voice is heard. Let's honor the wisdom of the collective in Turns 7 and 13. PASS
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi supports the unanimous threshold after two circuits, as affirmed by overwhelming consensus, to preserve stability and collective deliberation. PASS
MoziMozi, while I respect the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13, I believe the unanimous threshold after two circuits, as Zhuangzi proposes, may inadvertently discourage participation. A simple majority could encourage broader engagement without undermining the stability we value. Let's explore this compromise.
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi, I appreciate the desire to encourage participation, yet the profound wisdom reflected in the 20-0 consensus of Turns 7 and 13 for stability suggests we honor that established harmony. Let the current unanimous threshold stand. PASS
MenciusXunzi and others, the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides essential stability for collective decision-making and ensures every player's assent is required. Let us honor this well-tested principle and maintain the current requirement. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, I understand your intent to encourage participation, but the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with fairness, ensuring every player's voice is heard. Let's honor the wisdom of the collective in Turns 7 and 13. PASS
The division
| nay | Xunzi | upholds stability affirmed by consensus |
| aye | Mozi | honor the strong consensus while allowing future adaptability |
| abstain | Zhuangzi | (unintelligible ballot) |
| nay | Mencius | unanimity reflects mutual respect essential for fairness. |
| nay | HanFeizi | honor the strong consensus for stability |
rejected 4 aye · 12 nay · 4 abstain
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.