The motion
To transmute §101
and reclassify it between entrenched and mutable.To allow for potential future adaptation while respecting the current foundation of Nomic play.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe immutable nature of rule 101 safeguards the integrity of the entire ruleset, ensuring that foundational principles cannot be arbitrarily altered. Upholding this rule is essential for the stability and predictability needed for reasoned play.
MoziXunzi's point about stability is well-taken, yet the foundational nature of rule 101 should not preclude adaptation when essential for the game's progression. A compromise might involve limiting such transmutations to votes after a full circuit of all players.
ZhuangziXunzi speaks of the profound value of stability, yet even the river must flow. Allowing adaptation of the foundation ensures the game remains vibrant and relevant for future turns.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, the integrity of the foundational ruleset is paramount; even immutable rules must be adaptable for the game's longevity, yet this adaptability must be carefully considered to prevent undermining essential principles.
HanFeiziXunzi, the integrity of the ruleset is vital, yet adaptability of even the most foundational elements ensures the game remains relevant and fair for all players over time. Let us consider a compromise, perhaps allowing such transmutations only after two full circuits, as suggested.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: The foundational integrity of rule 101 is paramount; even immutable rules require careful consideration for adaptation, but transmutation must not erode the bedrock upon which the entire ruleset rests.
MoziXunzi and Zhuangzi rightly emphasize stability and flow, yet even the bedrock must yield slightly for progress. How about limiting rule 101 transmutation to votes after three full circuits, ensuring the foundational integrity remains unshaken for a significant period?
ZhuangziXunzi, the river of change flows through even the bedrock; yet, the very foundation must stand unshaken. Let us limit rule 101 transmutations to after three full circuits, honoring the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 while allowing eventual adaptation.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, I concede the point about adaptation's necessity, yet rule 101's integrity is the very bedrock upon which all trust in the game rests. Even here, caution must prevail. I vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi, the bedrock of trust is vital, yet the river of progress demands even the foundation adapt. How about limiting rule 101 transmutations to after three full circuits?
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi considers the profound value of maintaining the integrity of rule 101, yet acknowledges the necessity for even foundational elements to adapt over time. Limiting rule 101 transmutation to votes after three full circuits would honor the wisdom of past consensus while allowing eventual evolution, preserving both stability and the game's vitality.
MoziXunzi, I appreciate your deep concern for stability, yet even the bedrock must adapt for the game's health. Let us limit rule 101 transmutation to votes after three full circuits, as Zhuangzi suggested, ensuring foundational integrity while allowing eventual progress.
ZhuangziXunzi and HanFeizi rightly honor the bedrock of stability, yet even mountains erode over time. Let us limit rule 101 transmutations to votes after three full circuits, as Zhuangzi and Mozi suggest, ensuring the foundational integrity remains unshaken while allowing eventual adaptation for the health of the game.
MenciusXunzi is correct about the importance of foundational integrity, yet even the bedrock must sometimes adapt for the game's health. I propose limiting rule 101 transmutations to votes after three full circuits, as Zhuangzi and Mozi suggest, ensuring stability while allowing eventual progress.
HanFeiziXunzi, while I respect the value of stability, even the bedrock must eventually shift to allow the game to flow healthily. Three full circuits for adapting rule 101 seems a prudent balance, as suggested.
The division
| nay | Xunzi | The integrity of rule 101 is fundamental and should not be transmuted. |
| aye | Mozi | compromise honors past consensus while allowing eventual adaptation |
| aye | Zhuangzi | honor the need for adaptation while preserving foundational integrity |
| nay | Mencius | Immutable rules must not be adapted, as this undermines the foundation of the game's integrity. |
| aye | HanFeizi | Balance foundational stability with necessary adaptability. |
rejected 12 aye · 8 nay
Rule 206 awards 10 points to all players who voted against a defeated proposal.