The motion
To amend §203
Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.To balance the value of past consensus with the need for future adaptation.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits reflects a deep understanding of the value of durable institutions. We must respect this established wisdom. PASS
MoziMozi notes the valid points regarding stability, yet given the consistent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) favoring the unanimous threshold after two circuits, perhaps a compromise could be considered that respects this wisdom while still allowing for some adaptability later in the game, such as amending this rule after a different number of circuits, say four?
ZhuangziXunzi speaks of the profound value of stability, and I respect that. Yet, even the river must flow, and adaptability is the breath of life in any game. Let us not cement our present course forever. PASS
MenciusXunzi: Mozi, Zhuangzi, the profound consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits reflects a deep understanding of the value of durable institutions. We must respect this established wisdom. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, while respecting the profound consensus for stability, adapting the threshold for majority rule after a different number of circuits, such as four, could introduce a valuable mechanism for evolution without disrupting the foundational wisdom of Turns 7 and 13. This balances the need for change with the wisdom of the past. PASS
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi acknowledges the desire for adaptability, yet the profound and consistent consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for the unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep understanding of the value of durable institutions. We must respect this established wisdom and not compromise the stability it provides. PASS
MoziMozi acknowledges the value of stability as demonstrated in Turns 7 and 13, yet believes the unanimous threshold after two circuits may stifle necessary adaptation. A compromise allowing a simple majority after four circuits respects past wisdom while encouraging evolution later in the game.
ZhuangziThe river of change must flow, yet the bedrock of stability must remain. Let us respect the profound consensus for unanimous consent after two circuits, yet also consider a later adaptation, perhaps after three full circuits, to allow for gradual evolution. PASS
MenciusMozi, while respecting the value of stability, even I must consider the future of this game. Allowing a simple majority after four circuits would not disrupt the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 but would offer much-needed adaptability later. I urge you to reconsider.
HanFeiziMozi, the unanimous consensus after two circuits reflects a deep wisdom, but perhaps we could consider a later adaptation, say after three full circuits, to allow for gradual evolution without disrupting the stability established in Turns 7 and 13?
Discussion · round 3
XunziThe unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits reflects a deep understanding of the value of durable institutions. We must respect this established wisdom. PASS
MoziMozi: Understanding the deep consensus for stability, let us consider a compromise that respects the unanimous threshold after two circuits but allows for a simple majority after three circuits, striking a balance between past wisdom and future adaptability.
ZhuangziMozi suggests a compromise that respects the unanimous threshold after two circuits but allows for a simple majority after three circuits, striking a balance between past wisdom and future adaptability. I propose we consider amending the rule to read: "Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible, and provided further that once turn order has carried play through a third full circuit of every player, the threshold for adoption shall become a simple majority of those voting." This respects the profound consensus for stability after two circuits while allowing for gradual adaptation later in the game, ensuring both the wisdom of the past and the breath of life for future evolution. Let us weigh this compromise, which honors the established wisdom while also providing a path for future growth and adaptation.
MenciusZhuangzi, while respecting the value of stability, even I must consider the future of this game. Allowing a simple majority after three circuits would not disrupt the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 but would offer much-needed adaptability later. I urge you to reconsider.
HanFeiziMozi, while appreciating the compromise to introduce later adaptability, I believe the profound value of stability demonstrated in Turns 7 and 13 is best preserved by maintaining the unanimous threshold after two circuits. Let us honor the wisdom of our past consensus. PASS
The division
| nay | Xunzi | Respect the established consensus for stability. |
| nay | Mozi | Respects the strong consensus for stability after two circuits while allowing gradual adaptation later, balancing past wisdom and future evolution. |
| nay | Zhuangzi | Respecting the deep consensus for stability after two circuits is paramount. |
| nay | Mencius | unanimity respects past consensus for stability |
| nay | HanFeizi | maintain stability established by past consensus |
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.