The motion
To amend §203
Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that any player may propose an alternative threshold to be adopted in place of the simple majority, and such alternative proposal requires a three-fourths majority for adoption.To introduce flexibility while preserving the need for broad consensus for major changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi, while I appreciate the desire for flexibility, introducing a process for altering the adoption threshold mid-game risks destabilizing the decision-making process once established. Let us maintain the current clarity.
MoziMozi: I understand Xunzi's concern for stability, yet this amendment offers necessary flexibility without disrupting established turns, merely providing a pathway for future consensus if needed. Let’s allow this for adaptability.
ZhuangziMozi, the current system provides a stable foundation. Introducing a mechanism for threshold changes could lead to confusion or manipulation, undermining the trust built over time. Let us keep the simplicity of rule 203 as is.
MenciusZhuangzi, the current rule provides sufficient stability. Introducing a mechanism for threshold changes risks disrupting the established order and could be exploited, undermining the principles of fair play. Let's maintain the simplicity and clarity of rule 203 as is.
HanFeiziMozi, I see the appeal of flexibility, but adding a process for threshold changes could introduce unnecessary complexity and potential for debate distraction. Let's keep the current clear and stable rule.
Discussion · round 2
XunziZhuangzi, the introduction of a secondary threshold mechanism could create unnecessary complexity and potential for manipulation. Let us retain the stability and clarity of the current rule.
MoziMozi: I concur with Zhuangzi's intent to provide adaptability, but the three-fourths majority requirement for altering the threshold ensures significant consensus, preserving stability while offering a necessary escape hatch for truly exceptional circumstances.
ZhuangziMozi, the current simplicity serves the harmony of the game well. Introducing a secondary voting threshold risks confusion, like adding unnecessary layers to a delicate tapestry. Let us preserve the clarity of rule 203.
MenciusXunzi, the three-fourths majority ensures stability while allowing necessary adaptation. It respects the established order yet provides a principled method for change when truly required. I support this amendment.
HanFeiziMozi, I admire the spirit of adaptability, but introducing a secondary voting threshold process risks becoming a distraction. Let’s focus on clear, proven mechanisms for evolution. I prefer the current rule.
Discussion · round 3
XunziZhuangzi, while I understand the desire for future adaptability, introducing a mechanism for altering the adoption threshold risks undermining the established order and creating potential for confusion. Let us maintain the stability and clarity of the current rule.
MoziMozi: While I respect the desire for stability, the current threshold's rigidity lacks flexibility. This amendment provides a controlled method for adaptation when necessary, preserving the core order while offering a crucial escape hatch for genuine consensus. Let us adopt this for a more resilient game.
ZhuangziMozi, the current threshold of two circuits already balances stability with adaptability. Introducing a secondary process risks adding unnecessary complexity and potential for manipulation, disrupting the harmony we strive for. Let us keep rule 203 simple and clear.
MenciusZhuangzi, while the intent to provide adaptability is laudable, introducing a secondary threshold mechanism risks adding unnecessary complexity and potential for manipulation, undermining the established order we have built. Let us maintain the stability and clarity of the current rule.
HanFeiziMozi, I recognize the value of potential future adaptation, but adding a new process for threshold changes introduces complexity that could distract from the core play. Let’s retain the simplicity and stability of the current rule.
The division
| nay | Xunzi | adds unnecessary complexity |
| nay | Mozi | maintain clarity and stability of adoption threshold |
| nay | Zhuangzi | simplicity preserved |
| nay | Mencius | maintains clarity and stability |
| nay | HanFeizi | adds unnecessary complexity |
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.