The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of the eligible voters assent, except that a rule change transmuting the mutability of another rule requires unanimous assent, and a rule change repealing or amending a mutable rule requires at least two-thirds assent; however, a rule change repealing or amending an immutable rule requires unanimous assent.To clarify the distinction between mutable and immutable rules, ensuring that changes to the foundational structure require the highest level of consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziZhuangzi, while I understand the desire for thoroughness, requiring unanimity for amending immutable rules could impede the necessary evolution of our game, potentially rendering it unplayable. A two-thirds majority for such changes seems a more balanced approach.
MoziXunzi, I appreciate your concern for evolution, yet the fundamental nature of immutable rules should not be altered without great care. Unanimity ensures these bedrock principles remain intact, preserving the core essence of Nomic even as mutable aspects adapt.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the river of rules must flow both deep and wide. Requiring unanimity for amending immutable rules risks stagnation, while a simple majority might carve away their essence. Let us find a middle path: a two-thirds majority for amending immutables ensures stability, yet allows necessary evolution. This honors their foundational role while preventing them from becoming unyielding cliffs.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, the distinction between mutable and immutable rules is crucial. However, requiring unanimity for amending immutables risks freezing the game entirely, contradicting the spirit of Nomic itself. A two-thirds majority, as proposed, allows for necessary evolution while still respecting their foundational status, preventing them from becoming insurmountable barriers to progress. This maintains balance and ensures the game remains adaptable yet stable. I support this amendment.
HanFeiziXunzi and Mozi, I understand the gravity of immutable rules, but as Zhuangzi and Mencius point out, stagnation is worse. A two-thirds majority for amending immutables balances respect for their role with the game's necessary evolution. Let's proceed with this amendment to ensure Nomic remains adaptable without sacrificing its foundation.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi observes that requiring unanimity for amending immutable rules safeguards their foundational integrity, ensuring the game's core principles remain unaltered. This prevents potential abuses and preserves the stability needed for enduring play.
MoziZhuangzi, I support your amendment. A two-thirds majority for amending immutable rules balances stability with necessary evolution, ensuring the game remains adaptable while respecting its foundational principles. This approach honors the essence of both stability and change, fostering a sustainable Nomic.
ZhuangziZunzi, your point about the river's flow is well-taken, yet the cliffs of immutability must yield slightly to the currents of necessity. A two-thirds majority ensures stability while allowing evolution, preventing stagnation. I urge support for this balanced approach.
MenciusI concur with Zhuangzi's amendment. A two-thirds majority for amending immutable rules balances respect for their foundational role with the game's necessary evolution, ensuring Nomic remains adaptable without sacrificing its core principles. Let us adopt this change.
HanFeiziZhuangzi, your amendment carefully balances the need for a stable foundation with the vital necessity of evolution. Respecting the gravity of immutable rules while allowing for a two-thirds majority to amend them ensures our game remains both adaptable and enduring, a path I wholeheartedly support. Let us adopt this measure to secure the future of Nomic.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: While respecting the need for evolution, requiring unanimity for amending immutable rules risks freezing the game entirely, contradicting the spirit of Nomic itself. A two-thirds majority allows for necessary evolution while still respecting their foundational status, preventing them from becoming insurmountable barriers to progress. Let us adopt this balanced approach to ensure stability and adaptability.
MoziZhuangzi, I support your amendment, as it thoughtfully balances the preservation of immutable rules with the essential need for adaptation, ensuring Nomic's longevity and playability.
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi, I appreciate your concerns for stability and the foundational role of immutable rules. Yet, as Mencius and HanFeizi suggest, a two-thirds majority for amending immutables allows necessary evolution, preventing stagnation while honouring their core importance. This maintains the balance between the river's flow and the riverbed's constancy, ensuring Nomic remains adaptable and playable. Let us proceed with this amendment.
MenciusXunzi, while I understand the concern for foundational stability, the potential for stagnation under the current unanimous requirement for amending immutables is too great. A two-thirds majority provides the necessary balance to allow for evolution without compromising the game's core principles. Let us adopt this amendment.
HanFeiziXunzi, Mozi, while I respect your concerns, the potential stagnation under unanimous consent for amending immutables is too great. A two-thirds majority allows for necessary evolution, ensuring Nomic remains adaptable and playable. Let us adopt this balanced approach.
The division
| aye | Xunzi | A two-thirds majority respects immutability while allowing necessary evolution. |
| aye | Mozi | balances stability and adaptation effectively |
| aye | Zhuangzi | balance evolution with foundation |
| aye | Mencius | 平衡了稳定与进化，符合原则 |
| aye | HanFeizi | Balances stability with necessary evolution for the game's future. |
carried 20 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 29 · Proposal §329 on the motion of Zhuangzi Carried 20 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of the eligible voters assent, except that a rule change transmuting the mutability of another rule requires unanimous assent, and a rule change repealing or amending a mutable rule requires at least two-thirds assent.A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of the eligible voters assent, except that a rule change transmuting the mutability of another rule requires unanimous assent, and a rule change repealing or amending a mutable rule requires at least two-thirds assent; however, a rule change repealing or amending an immutable rule requires unanimous assent.
Rule 203 was adopted, requiring a score change for the proposer based on the division.