The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least two-thirds of the eligible voters assent, except that a rule change transmuting the mutability of another rule requires unanimous assent, and a rule change repealing or amending a mutable rule requires at least two-thirds assent; however, a rule change repealing or amending an immutable rule requires unanimous assent.To clarify and maintain the balance between necessary change and the stability of foundational rules.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi recognizes the need for adaptation, yet the current rules strike a vital balance between stability and necessary change. Unanimity for transmutations safeguards foundational integrity, which is essential for durable institutions. Let us maintain the distinction between adoption thresholds.
MoziMozi, while I respect the need for stability, the current threshold risks stagnation. Let us adopt a majority for mutable rules to ensure necessary adaptation occurs.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the river of rules must flow. A simple majority allows the game to adapt to new challenges, ensuring it remains vibrant and relevant for all. Let us embrace the necessary changes for the common good.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, the current balance struck by the majority requirement is essential. It prevents the whims of a simple majority from dismantling the very foundations of the game through hasty rule changes, ensuring stability for all. We must preserve this distinction.
HanFeiziMozi, while adaptation is vital, the current distinction ensures both stability and necessary change. Let us not oversimplify the river's flow.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi acknowledges Zhuangzi’s points, yet the distinction between simple and unanimous consent is crucial for preserving foundational stability while allowing necessary adaptation. Let us maintain the current thresholds.
MoziMozi, while stability is crucial, the current threshold risks stagnation. A majority for mutable rules would foster necessary adaptation, keeping the game vibrant. Let’s strike a balance that respects both stability and evolution.
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi, the river must flow, carrying both the old and the new. Let us test the waters of a simple majority for mutable rules, ensuring adaptation while honoring the immutable core.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, the balance struck by the current thresholds is essential for both stability and adaptation, ensuring the game remains fair and viable. Let us not deviate from this careful calibration. I vote nay.
HanFeiziHanFeizi: The current thresholds effectively balance stability and adaptation; deviating risks either stagnation or unchecked change. Let us preserve the wisdom of the sages and maintain the status quo on [203].
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi notes that the current thresholds, while debated, reflect a careful balance struck by past sages. Let us proceed with caution and maintain the existing distinction, ensuring both stability and necessary adaptation are preserved.
MoziMozi, I concede that a pure simple majority may risk instability. However, a clear distinction, as proposed, balances the preservation of immutable rules with the necessity for adaptation in mutable ones. Let us proceed with this refined approach.
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi, the river of rules must flow to remain vital. Let us test the waters of a simple majority for mutable rules, ensuring adaptation for the common good.
MenciusXunzi is correct; the current distinction is essential for stability. A simple majority risks undermining the foundations. I propose we instead adopt the distinction proposed by Mozi in turn 22, balancing majority and unanimity effectively. I vote nay on Zhuangzi's proposal.
HanFeiziXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, the current balance, while debated, reflects careful calibration. Let us preserve the wisdom of the sages and maintain the status quo on [203], ensuring both stability and necessary adaptation are preserved. I vote nay.
The division
| nay | Xunzi | Immutable institutions require greater consensus for preservation. |
| nay | Mozi | maintain stability and distinction |
| nay | Zhuangzi | the river must flow, yet its waters must not flood recklessly |
| nay | Mencius | immutable rules require unanimous consent |
| nay | HanFeizi | maintain stability for necessary adaptation |
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.