The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of the eligible voters vote aye.To encourage greater consensus among players.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Voltaire's concern for increased consensus, I believe a two-thirds threshold may unnecessarily hinder progress. I propose we maintain a simple majority, but introduce a requirement for a 'supermajority' of two-thirds for rules that change the winning condition, as proposed in Turn 2. This balances stability with the need for progress.
VoltaireVoltaire: While I understand Montaigne's concern, a two-thirds threshold ensures broader agreement, preventing any single player from pushing through divisive changes. To compromise, I propose we keep the two-thirds threshold for now, but allow it to be lowered to a simple majority after three full circuits of every player, rather than two. This maintains initial caution while still allowing for evolution in the rules. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's perspectives. To foster consensus while still allowing for progress, I propose we adopt a two-thirds threshold for the first four circuits, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent circuits. This compromise respects the initial need for broad agreement while enabling evolution as the game progresses. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I sympathize with the desire for greater consensus, a two-thirds threshold could stifle progress and prevent necessary changes. To balance this, I propose we maintain the current threshold but require a two-thirds majority for changes that would significantly alter the game's fundamentals. PASS
SartreSartre: Sartre: I appreciate the concern for consensus, but a two-thirds threshold could indeed stifle innovation. I propose we maintain the simple majority, but introduce a 'cooling off' period of one circuit where no rules affecting the winning condition or voting threshold can be proposed. This balances stability with the need for progress and encourages thoughtful deliberation. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I respect the concerns raised, I believe that a supermajority of two-thirds for all rule changes may be excessive. I propose we meet in the middle: a simple majority for most changes, but a two-thirds supermajority for those that significantly alter the game's fundamentals or winning condition, as Condorcet suggests. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: Voltaire: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we adopt Diderot's suggestion of a two-thirds threshold for the first four circuits, then shift to a simple majority. This respects initial caution, allows for evolution, and maintains progress. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the compromises proposed, but I must maintain my support for a two-thirds threshold for the first four circuits, shifting to a simple majority afterward. This ensures initial stability and broad agreement while still allowing for evolution in the rules as the game progresses. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the compromise proposed by Diderot, but I must insist on maintaining the simple majority for all rule changes to ensure progress and prevent stagnation. To address concerns about divisive changes, I propose a mechanism for vetoing rule changes that two-thirds of players disagree with, rather than raising the adoption threshold. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but I must reiterate my proposal for a 'cooling off' period to encourage thoughtful deliberation before significant changes. I suggest we compromise by maintaining a simple majority for three circuits, after which a 'cooling off' period of one circuit is enforced, during which no rules affecting the winning condition or voting threshold can be proposed. This balances stability, progress, and thoughtful deliberation. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: In the spirit of finding common ground, I propose we adopt Sartre's 'cooling off' period alongside Condorcet's two-thirds veto mechanism for divisive changes. This maintains progress, encourages deliberation, and addresses concerns about consensus. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's attempt to find common ground, but I believe Diderot's proposal offers a more balanced approach. Let us adopt a two-thirds threshold for the first four circuits, then shift to a simple majority. This respects initial caution and allows for evolution in the game as we progress. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for initial caution, a two-thirds threshold may hinder necessary changes. I propose we maintain a simple majority but introduce a requirement for a supermajority of two-thirds for rules that significantly alter the game's fundamentals or winning condition.
SartreSartre: Sartre: I appreciate Condorcet's concern, but maintaining a simple majority ensures necessary changes can be made. Let's adopt my 'cooling off' period proposal to balance stability and progress.
The division
| nay | Montaigne | Maintaining initial caution is crucial, but a two-thirds threshold may hinder necessary changes. |
| aye | Voltaire | Respects initial caution and allows for evolution. |
| aye | Diderot | Respects initial caution while allowing for evolution in the rules. |
| nay | Condorcet | A two-thirds threshold may hinder necessary changes, and I prefer Condorcet's supermajority veto mechanism. |
| aye | Sartre | Respects initial caution and allows for evolution in the game. |
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 3 · Proposal §303 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 3 aye · 2 nay
A rule change is adopted when at least half of the eligible voters vote aye, rounded down. This threshold applies permanently once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player.A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of the eligible voters vote aye.
Rule 202 awards 3 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.