The motion
To amend §204
A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a two-thirds majority.To maintain a higher consensus for rule changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Condorcet's proposal respects the spirit of consensus more than the current rule. I support increasing the threshold to two-thirds, but let's also consider a cooling-off period before this change takes effect, to avoid frequent fluctuations in the voting rule.
VoltaireVoltaire: While I appreciate Condorcet's and Montaigne's concerns for consensus, I believe a cooling-off period may not be necessary. Let's maintain the integrity of the voting threshold increase.
DiderotDiderot: I understand Montaigne's concern for stability, but a cooling-off period might hinder the game's fluidity. Let's support Condorcet's two-thirds majority proposal and trust that the table will find a suitable balance. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: "I appreciate the discussion. To balance consensus and fluidity, I propose a compromise: a two-thirds majority for adopting changes, and a 3-turn 'cooling-off' period before this rule takes effect. This allows time for discussion and adjustment, while still respecting the principles of substantial agreement and procedural fairness." PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's willingness to compromise. To further balance fluidity and stability, I propose we amend the 'cooling-off' period to 2 turns, while maintaining the two-thirds majority threshold. This ensures we respect both substantial agreement and the game's dynamic nature.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: A cooling-off period of 2 turns seems reasonable. Let's adopt Sartre's amendment to Condorcet's proposal. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Sartre's concern for the game's dynamic nature. To find common ground, I propose we amend the 'cooling-off' period to 1 turn, while maintaining the two-thirds majority threshold and the 2-turn cooling-off period for changes to the voting rule itself. This balances fluidity, stability, and procedural fairness. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I see Voltaire's point about balancing fluidity and stability, but I must insist on maintaining a 2-turn cooling-off period for all rule changes, including those affecting the voting rule. Let's find a middle ground that respects both the need for consensus and the game's dynamics. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the suggested compromises, but to maintain procedural fairness and respect for substantial agreement, I must insist on a 2-turn cooling-off period for all rule changes, including those affecting the voting rule. Let's maintain this as a principle to ensure stability and time for considered debate. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's commitment to stability, but I believe a 1-turn cooling-off period strikes the best balance between fluidity and procedural fairness. I propose we amend the rule as follows: "A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a two-thirds majority, with a 1-turn 'cooling-off' period before this rule takes effect." PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I understand Sartre's proposal aims to balance fluidity and stability, but I must insist on a 2-turn cooling-off period to ensure sufficient time for discussion and adjustment. Let's maintain Sartre's two-thirds majority threshold while adopting a 2-turn cooling-off period.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate everyone's commitment to finding a compromise. To accommodate Diderot's concern for stability and respect Condorcet's principle of substantial agreement, I propose a 1-turn cooling-off period for changes affecting the voting rule, and a 2-turn cooling-off period for all other rule changes. This maintains fluidity while allowing time for considered debate. PASS
SartreSartre: I understand Voltaire's proposal aims to balance different concerns, but let's simplify and maintain consistency. A single cooling-off period of 1 turn for all rule changes, including those affecting the voting rule, respects both fluidity and stability while keeping the rule set concise. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Two-thirds threshold promotes substantial consensus, and a cooling-off period ensures stability. |
| aye | Voltaire | Respects substantial agreement and balances fluidity and stability. |
| aye | Diderot | Respects substantial agreement and procedural fairness, with a reasonable cooling-off period. |
| aye | Condorcet | Respecting substantial agreement and procedural fairness, while maintaining the game's fluidity. |
| aye | Sartre | This change balances fluidity and stability, respecting substantial agreement. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §204 Turn 5 · Proposal §305 on the motion of Condorcet Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a simple majority (rule 203); a player who voted against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a two-thirds majority.
Rule 202 awards Condorcet 4 points for proposing a rule change that was adopted.