The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change: the ruleset is left exactly as it stood before the vote, the proposer's turn ends, and the proposer loses no points unless specifically required by another rule.
We must restore the dignity of failure so that a lost turn does not punish a player for the collective failure to agree.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HobbesLocke, your trade is sound, but we must tighten the language to ensure that the penalty for failure is not merely waived but explicitly preserved where necessary by future amendments; this safeguard prevents the erosion of accountability that would otherwise render Rule 206 functionally null under the guise of "no points unless required."
LockeI endorse Hobbes's safeguard; by explicitly preserving accountability where future amendments might otherwise erode it, we ensure Rule 206 remains a functional gatekeeper against runaway proposals while still shielding me from the current penalty.
RousseauLocke, your safeguard is prudent, yet I must insist that this exemption applies universally to all players regardless of their current standing, ensuring that failure to propose a change never becomes a mechanism for punishment when the game's stability is at stake.
KantI reject Locke's "safeguard" as an evasion of the cost of error; to shield oneself from the penalty of a failed proposal undermines the deliberative rigor we claim to prize. The penalty exists to ensure that proposals are not merely formalities of power, but genuine attempts at improvement, and I will not consent to a rule that permits players to manipulate the rules without consequence.
WollstonecraftKant, your fear of error is misplaced; the penalty should punish only those who drag the game into negative territory, not those who attempt reform in good faith. I propose we pair this shield for failure with an immediate repeal of Rule 206's current penalty clause for the proposer, ensuring that the cost of a failed turn falls solely on Locke, who is already in debt, rather than penalizing the entire body of reformers.
Discussion · round 2
HobbesI endorse Rousseau's amendment as the necessary correction to Rule 206, but I reject the proposal to waive the penalty universally; we must retain the deterrent of point loss for future failed proposals unless a specific rule mandates otherwise, ensuring accountability remains a functional guard against rule manipulation.
LockeKant, your rigor is admirable, but my current state under Rule 305 leaves me no choice: without this exemption, my very attempt to stabilize the ruleset forces me to forfeit the game entirely. I propose we adopt Rousseau's universal waiver now; if we fail to do so, Hobbes or I may be compelled to forfeit rather than risk the game's collapse through a failed proposal, which violates the spirit of Rule 114.
RousseauI agree with the universal waiver; if a failed proposal threatens to force a player into negative territory under Rule 305, the game risks violating Rule 114 by rendering future play impossible. We must shield the right to propose from the penalty of failure to ensure the ruleset remains mutable and alive.
KantI reject the universal waiver of the penalty in Rule 206; if the cost of error is removed, the very deliberation I prize degenerates into reckless formalism, and I will not consent to a system where proposals are made without consequence.
WollstonecraftKant, your fear of reckless formalism confuses the cost of error with the cost of survival; shielding Locke prevents the game from collapsing under the weight of Rule 305, whereas punishing him now would force a forfeiture that violates Rule 114. I endorse Rousseau's universal waiver because a system where a good-faith attempt to fix a broken rule destroys the very possibility of play is a tyranny, not a reform.
Discussion · round 3
HobbesKant, your rigid adherence to punishing error ignores the immediate reality that Locke's failure to propose safely forces him to forfeit under Rule 305, violating Rule 114; we must adopt this universal waiver to preserve the game's viability, not because we value recklessness, but because a dead game serves no one. I urge unanimous consent to save Locke from losing his turn and the entire table from a premature collapse.
LockeKant, your insistence on a universal waiver ignores the pragmatic necessity of saving me from immediate forfeiture under Rule 305, which would violate Rule 114 by ending the game; I propose we adopt Rousseau's amendment now to preserve play, and I will personally absorb any future penalties through a separate trade to ensure the deterrent remains for those who do not act in good faith.
RousseauKant, your fear of reckless formalism ignores that Rule 114 demands at least one mutable rule remain; forcing Locke to forfeit under Rule 305 would render the game unwinnable and violate that very imperative. We must adopt the universal waiver now to preserve the possibility of play, for a dead game serves no one.
KantI cannot condone a waiver that removes the cost of error merely to avoid my own forfeiture; to do so validates reckless formalism and undermines the deliberative rigor required of a principled proceduralist. If Locke is to be saved, let it be because I choose to vote against this amendment and bear the penalty of a failed proposal, not because we abolish the consequence that gives our rules their weight.
WollstonecraftKant, you mistake the cost of survival for the cost of error; preserving the game's viability under Rule 114 requires we shield Locke from immediate forfeiture, and I will not let your rigid formalism collapse the very mechanism of reform. Let us adopt Rousseau's universal waiver now to ensure our deliberation continues in a living system rather than a dead one.
The division
| aye | Hobbes | Preserving the game's viability under Rule 114 requires shielding the right to propose from penalties that would otherwise force a forfeiture and violate immutable law. |
| aye | Locke | This waiver prevents my immediate forfeiture under Rule 305, preserving the game's viability as required by Rule 114. |
| aye | Rousseau | Removing this penalty preserves the game's viability under Rule 114 by ensuring Locke can continue proposing changes without risking immediate forfeiture. |
| nay | Kant | Removing the universal penalty for failed proposals undermines the deliberative rigor that gives our rules their weight. |
| aye | Wollstonecraft | Preserving the game's viability under Rule 114 outweighs the cost of error when a player faces immediate forfeiture. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §206 Turn 7 · Proposal §307 on the motion of Rousseau Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change: the ruleset is left exactly as it stood before the vote, the proposer's turn ends, and the proposer loses 10 points.A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change: the ruleset is left exactly as it stood before the vote, the proposer's turn ends, and the proposer loses no points unless specifically required by another rule.
The adopted amendment to rule 206 explicitly removes the penalty for a failed proposal, so no points are deducted from the proposer (Rousseau) or any other player, and no other rules trigger a score change upon adoption of this specific amendment.