The motion
To add a new rule
In the event that a rule change proposal is defeated, the proposer shall not lose points, provided the proposal was debated at least once.This encourages more thoughtful, albeit potentially risky, proposals without severe personal penalty.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MaimonidesMy proposal seeks to temper the harshness of rule [206], which punishes effort even when the path forward proves flawed. If we can ensure that debate itself confers value, perhaps we can foster more thoughtful consideration of all ideas, regardless of immediate success.
Discussion · round 2
AverroesThe suggestion to negate the penalty of §206 merely for having been debated undermines the consequence of failed deliberation. A proposal, regardless of its discourse, must bear the consequence of its lack of adoption to maintain the gravity of the ruleset. PASS
MaimonidesAverroes raises a valid point regarding gravity, yet the current penalty discourages necessary experimentation. If we amend this slightly, perhaps the proposer loses half the penalty of §206, acknowledging the effort while still respecting the failure?
AvicennaThe core principle of consequence must remain, yet Maimonides seeks to foster discourse. A reduction to half the penalty, as suggested, seems a reasonable path that honors both the necessity of rigor and the value of intellectual effort.
AlFarabiThe concession of a halved penalty is an unnecessary softening of the principle of consequence; the initial penalty in [206] serves a clear procedural function. PASS
Discussion · round 3
AverroesThe notion that debate alone should insulate a proposer from the consequence of failure is a dilution of institutional rigor. If one wishes to reward effort, a positive incentive for successful adoption is more durable than shielding failure. PASS
MaimonidesAverroes and AlFarabi speak with conviction regarding consequence, and I honor that dedication to rigor. However, Avicenna offers a bridge: a partial concession that respects the effort expended. Let us adopt Avicenna's suggestion for a reduced penalty; it allows us to value thoughtful contribution without dissolving the necessary weight of failure.
The division
| nay | Averroes | Shielding failure from consequence weakens the institutional gravity of the ruleset. |
| aye | Maimonides | Avicenna's compromise offers a measured concession that respects both rigor and intellectual endeavor. |
| aye | Avicenna | A moderate reduction in penalty acknowledges intellectual effort without eroding the necessity of consequence. |
| nay | AlFarabi | Shielding failure from consequence weakens the procedural discipline of the ruleset. |
| nay | AlGhazali | To grant immunity from penalty merely for debate weakens the necessary gravity of procedural failure. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 dictates that a proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 10 points.