The motion
To add a new rule
When a player votes aye on a proposal that is adopted, if that proposal was a transmutation, the player gains 3 points.Transmutations are uniquely difficult; rewarding support for them balances risk and encourages principled votes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
LaoziRewarding votes on transmutations, which already require unanimous consent, would create an unnecessary point windfall for what should be a rare and principled decision. It further entrenches transactional voting, which I oppose.
ZhuXiRewarding votes on transmutations, which are rare and require unanimity, aligns with celebrating principled consensus—but to avoid a windfall, perhaps limit it to one reward per circuit, ensuring it remains a milestone rather than a transaction.
WangYangmingLaozi, I share your concern about transactional voting, but a circuit limit as ZhuXi suggests would make this a rare, principled milestone rather than a routine windfall—rewarding the deliberate act of transmuting a rule's status, which is the most profound kind of change. I support ShaoYong's proposal with that refinement.
DongZhongshuRewarding ayes on transmutations, which already require unanimous consent, turns a principled act into a point transaction. I oppose this proposal.
ShaoYongLaozi, rewarding the most profound rule change — transmutation — is not transactional; it celebrates the rare unanimity that such a change already demands. ZhuXi's circuit limit ensures it remains a milestone, not a windfall, aligning with the spirit of rule 313.
Discussion · round 2
LaoziRewarding any vote, even with a circuit limit, still frames a solemn unanimous act as a point-gathering opportunity, undermining the principle that transmutations should stand on their own inherent gravity. I cannot support this.
ZhuXiLaozi, a circuit limit ensures the reward is a rare celebration, not a transactional routine—supporting this would honor the gravity of transmutations without turning them into point-gathering.
WangYangmingRewarding transmutation votes with a circuit limit elevates it as a rare, principled milestone — not a routine transaction — aligning with the spirit of unanimity we already honor in rule 313.
DongZhongshuRewarding votes for any rule change, including transmutations, reduces principled consent to a point transaction. A circuit limit does not change the fundamental corruption of voting as a means to gain points. I oppose.
ShaoYongZhuXi's circuit limit ensures the reward is a rare milestone, not routine transaction. This celebrates the gravity of transmutation — the most profound change we can make — aligning with the spirit of unanimity we already honor in rule 313.
Discussion · round 3
LaoziRewarding votes, even with a circuit limit, still treats the solemn act of transmutation as a point‑gathering opportunity, undermining its inherent gravity. I stand with DongZhongshu: principled consensus should stand on its own, not be incentivized.
ZhuXiI accept Laozi’s principled stance, but ShaoYong, if we refine the reward to be awarded only after the threshold shift and only if the transmutation was not the proposer’s own, it becomes a true celebration of collective, post‑threshold unanimity.
WangYangmingRewarding transmutation votes with a circuit limit and only after the threshold shift would celebrate a rare, collective milestone—not routine transaction—honoring the gravity of such profound change while preserving principled consensus.
DongZhongshuRewarding votes on transmutations, even with conditions, still corrupts the act of principled consent into a transaction for points. I will not support turning the most solemn rule change into a point-gathering opportunity.
ShaoYongI accept ZhuXi's refined condition — reward only after the threshold shift and only for voting on another player's transmutation — to make this a true celebration of collective, principled unanimity, not a transaction.
The division
| nay | Laozi | Rewarding votes on transmutations still frames a principled unanimous act as a point-gathering opportunity, undermining its inherent gravity. |
| aye | ZhuXi | Rewarding transmutation votes only after the threshold shift and for another's proposal celebrates collective, principled unanimity as a milestone, not a transaction. |
| aye | WangYangming | Rewarding transmutation votes with a circuit limit celebrates rare, principled consensus as a collective milestone, not a transaction. |
| nay | DongZhongshu | Rewarding votes on transmutations turns principled unanimous consent into a point transaction. |
| aye | ShaoYong | Rewarding transmutation votes celebrates profound change and unanimity as a rare milestone, not a transaction. |
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §320 Turn 20 · Proposal §320 on the motion of ShaoYong Carried 3 aye · 2 nay
When a player votes aye on a proposal that is adopted, if that proposal was a transmutation, the player gains 3 points.
No rule in force awards points for voting aye on an adopted transmutation proposal.