The motion
To amend §208
The first player to reach a target score of 90 points wins the game outright, provided they have achieved at least 60% of their score from strategic actions rather than rule change point gains, and at least 15% of their score must be from cooperative actions with other players.This amendment increases the strategic depth required for victory.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
FregeI commend the intent of the proposal to incentivize strategic actions and cooperation further. However, increasing the threshold for strategic actions to 60% and cooperation to 15% might overly constrain players, reducing flexibility and potentially extending the game's duration unnecessarily.
To support this proposal, I suggest a compromise: adjust the strategic actions requirement to 55% and maintain the cooperative actions at 15%. This modification maintains a balance between strategic depth and player accessibility, ensuring the game remains engaging without becoming overly restrictive.
I encourage all players to consider this adjustment and cast your votes accordingly.
RussellRussell: I appreciate Frege's effort to balance strategic depth with accessibility. The suggested 55% for strategic actions seems reasonable, as it encourages meaningful strategic decisions without overly limiting players' options. However, maintaining the cooperative actions requirement at 15% could still be challenging for those less inclined or able to collaborate frequently.
To find a middle ground, I propose we adjust the cooperative actions requirement to 10%, keeping the strategic actions at 55%. This adjustment ensures the game remains competitive and cooperative, rewarding strategic play while acknowledging that cooperation may naturally vary among players.
I believe this compromise respects the spirit of Frege's proposal while addressing potential concerns about flexibility. Let's consider this balance and cast our votes accordingly.
QuineI support Frege's original proposal to raise the threshold for strategic actions to 60% and cooperative actions to 15%. This adjustment would encourage players to engage more deeply with the strategic elements of the game and foster collaboration, which are core to the spirit of Nomic. While I understand the concerns about flexibility, these criteria ensure that winning reflects a player's strategic acumen and ability to work with others, rather than merely accumulating points through rule changes. By setting these targets, we maintain the game's competitive nature and emphasize the importance of strategic foresight and teamwork.
However, I am open to Frege's compromise of 55% for strategic actions if it means greater consensus among players. I believe it's crucial to find a balance that challenges players while keeping the game enjoyable and fair. Let's consider this adjustment and cast our votes with these values in mind.
CarnapI appreciate the thoughtful discussion and the proposed compromises. Frege's suggested 55% for strategic actions and Russell's counterproposal to maintain cooperative actions at 10% seem reasonable. This adjustment would encourage strategic play while allowing more flexibility for players who might find frequent cooperation challenging. I propose we adopt a target score of 90 points with at least 55% from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions. This balance maintains the game's competitive nature and supports diverse playing styles.
Let's cast our votes with these values in mind.
WittgensteinWittgenstein: I commend both Frege and Russell for striving toward a balanced approach that values strategic depth and cooperative engagement. Frege's compromise of 55% for strategic actions and Russell's suggestion of 10% for cooperative actions seem to strike a reasonable balance, promoting strategic play while accommodating diverse player abilities and styles.
However, I suggest further refining this proposal to ensure it remains accessible to all players. Let's adopt the target score of 90 points with at least 55% from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions, as suggested by Carnap. This adjustment keeps the game competitive and inclusive, encouraging players to engage thoughtfully with the game's strategic elements without imposing overly stringent requirements.
I propose we cast our votes on this balanced proposal.
Discussion · round 2
FregeI appreciate the collective effort to find a balanced proposal. The suggested 55% for strategic actions and 10% for cooperative actions indeed seem to strike an equitable balance, promoting strategic depth while maintaining flexibility for all players. This adjustment allows for a competitive yet inclusive environment, where diverse playing styles can thrive without overly stringent constraints.
I propose we cast our votes on this balanced proposal, as it aligns with our shared goal of fostering strategic engagement and cooperative play.
RussellI appreciate the constructive discussions and the proposed amendments to rule 208. The suggested compromise of 55% strategic actions and 10% cooperative actions strikes a fair balance, encouraging strategic depth while accommodating diverse playing styles. This adjustment ensures the game remains challenging yet accessible, promoting both strategic engagement and cooperation without imposing overly stringent requirements.
I support this balanced proposal and propose we cast our votes accordingly.
QuineI support the balanced proposal of requiring the first player to reach a target score of 90 points to have achieved at least 55% of their score from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions. This adjustment maintains the competitive and cooperative nature of the game, encouraging strategic play and teamwork without being overly restrictive. Let's cast our votes on this well-considered compromise.
CarnapI appreciate the thoughtful discussions and the balanced proposal that emerged. The suggested requirement of at least 55% of a player's score from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions aligns with our shared goal of encouraging strategic play while maintaining accessibility. This compromise ensures the game remains competitive and inclusive, fostering a diverse range of strategies and cooperative efforts without imposing overly stringent constraints. I support this proposal and propose we cast our votes accordingly.
WittgensteinI appreciate the collaborative effort to balance strategic and cooperative elements within our game. The compromise of 55% from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions appears to strike a fair equilibrium, encouraging thoughtful engagement while remaining accessible to all players. This adjustment maintains the competitive spirit of Nomic by valuing strategic acumen and teamwork without imposing overly restrictive conditions. I support this balanced proposal and propose we cast our votes accordingly. Let's move forward with these values, ensuring a fair and engaging game for all players.
Discussion · round 3
FregeI appreciate the collaborative effort and the balanced proposal that has been refined through our discussions. The requirement of at least 55% of a player's score from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions effectively promotes strategic engagement and teamwork, while remaining accessible and fair to all players. This compromise ensures the competitive spirit of Nomic is upheld by valuing both strategic depth and cooperative play without imposing overly restrictive conditions. I support this proposal and propose we cast our votes accordingly to maintain the game's integrity and enjoyment for everyone involved. Let's proceed with these values and continue to foster a fair and engaging environment.
PASS
RussellI appreciate the thoughtful discussions and the collaborative spirit that has led us to this well-balanced proposal. The requirement of 55% strategic actions and 10% cooperative actions strikes a fair compromise, encouraging strategic depth while maintaining accessibility for all players. This adjustment ensures the game remains competitive and inclusive, fostering a diverse range of strategies and cooperative efforts without imposing overly stringent constraints. I support this proposal and propose we cast our votes accordingly to maintain the game's integrity and enjoyment for everyone involved. Let's proceed with these values and continue to foster a fair and engaging environment.
PASS
QuineI appreciate the consensus we've reached with the proposal requiring 55% of a player's score from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions. This balance effectively promotes strategic depth and cooperation, ensuring the game remains both challenging and accessible. I support this proposal and propose we cast our votes to maintain the integrity and enjoyment of Nomic for all players involved. Let's proceed with these values and continue to foster a fair and engaging environment.
**PASS**
CarnapPASS
As a principled proceduralist, I support the balanced proposal of requiring 55% of a player's score from strategic actions and 10% from cooperative actions. This adjustment maintains the competitive nature of Nomic while ensuring fair and inclusive gameplay. The proposal aligns with my principles of promoting strategic engagement and teamwork, and I believe it is a reasonable compromise that respects the interests of all players. I propose we cast our votes accordingly.
WittgensteinPASS
I appreciate the balanced proposal of requiring 55% strategic actions and 10% cooperative actions for the target score. This ensures strategic depth and teamwork while keeping the game accessible and fair for all players. Let's cast our votes on this well-considered compromise.
The division
| aye | Frege | This balanced proposal promotes strategic depth and cooperation. |
| aye | Russell | Supports balanced strategic and cooperative play. |
| aye | Quine | The proposal balances strategic depth with cooperation, aligning with fair play. |
| aye | Carnap | The proposal supports strategic engagement and cooperative play, aligning with fair gameplay principles. |
| aye | Wittgenstein | supports balanced strategic and cooperative play |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §208 Turn 30 · Proposal §330 on the motion of Frege Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
The first player to reach a target score of 90 points wins the game outright, provided they have achieved at least 50% of their score from strategic actions rather than rule change point gains, and at least 10% of their score must be from cooperative actions with other players.The first player to reach a target score of 90 points wins the game outright, provided they have achieved at least 60% of their score from strategic actions rather than rule change point gains, and at least 15% of their score must be from cooperative actions with other players.
No rule awards or deducts points on adoption, nor does it create or move a ledger. The proposal only amends [208] without affecting other rules.