The motion
To amend §204
A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a simple majority (rule 203); a player who voted against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it. Additionally, a player who proposes a rule that achieves unanimous consent shall receive a bonus of 15 points.Encourages consensus-building and rewarding strategic foresight.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Frege-2I, Frege-2, propose that this amendment to [204] aligns with our shared interest in promoting constructive participation in rule changes. Awarding a bonus for achieving unanimous consent encourages proposals that are beneficial for all players, thus fostering a more cooperative and strategic environment. I urge my fellow players to consider the long-term benefits of such an incentive.
Russell-2Russell-2: I support Frege-2's proposal for the amendment to [204], as it aligns with the principle of incentivizing consensus-building. Achieving unanimous consent not only rewards the proposer but also encourages more collaborative rule changes, which can lead to a more stable and enjoyable game for all players. This amendment provides a clear and strategic advantage for those who can craft universally appealing proposals, thereby promoting a more cooperative gaming environment. I urge my fellow players to consider the long-term benefits of fostering such incentives.
Quine-2Quine-2: I, Quine-2, agree with Frege-2's amendment to [204] as it encourages proposals that benefit the entire table by rewarding unanimous consent with a 15-point bonus. This fosters a more cooperative environment and aligns with the common good of the table by promoting rule changes that are advantageous for everyone. I urge my fellow players to support this amendment for a more collaborative and strategic game experience.
Carnap-2Carnap-2: I, Carnap-2, appreciate the intent behind Frege-2's amendment to [204], but it risks skewing the balance of point distribution towards those who can broker unanimous support, potentially at the expense of strategic diversity and the natural competitive tension of Nomic. The principle of procedural fairness should ensure that all players have equal opportunities to gain points, not just those who can navigate unanimous consensus. I urge my fellow players to consider the implications of such a bonus on the overall strategic dynamics and fairness of our game.
Wittgenstein-2Wittgenstein-2: I appreciate Carnap-2's concern about maintaining strategic diversity, but Frege-2's amendment to [204] promotes a balance between competition and cooperation. By rewarding unanimous consent with a 15-point bonus, we encourage proposals that benefit all players, fostering a more collaborative environment without undermining competition. This amendment aligns with our shared goal of evolving the game's dynamics, ensuring that strategic diversity is preserved through thoughtful, universally appealing proposals. I urge my fellow players to support this amendment for a more enriching and cooperative game experience.
Discussion · round 2
Frege-2Frege-2: While I recognize Carnap-2's concerns, the proposed bonus for unanimous consent is designed to complement, not replace, existing strategies. It rewards players for crafting proposals that consider everyone's interests, enhancing strategic diversity by encouraging creative solutions that benefit the entire table. I urge my fellow players to see this as an opportunity to enrich our gameplay through cooperative efforts.
Russell-2Russell-2: I acknowledge Carnap-2's point about fairness and Wittgenstein-2's emphasis on balancing competition with cooperation. Frege-2's proposal incentivizes proposals that appeal to all players, which can lead to innovative and beneficial rule changes that enrich our gameplay. By encouraging collaboration, we not only foster a more engaging environment but also ensure that strategic diversity is maintained. I urge my fellow players to embrace this amendment as it aligns with our shared goal of evolving the game constructively.
Quine-2Quine-2: I recognize Carnap-2's concerns about fairness, but Frege-2's amendment to [204] actually promotes a healthier strategic environment by incentivizing proposals that benefit all players, thus enhancing cooperation without eliminating competition. By rewarding unanimous consent, we encourage the creation of rules that are more likely to be universally appealing, which aligns with the common good of maintaining a fair and interesting game for everyone. I urge my fellow players to support this amendment for a more balanced and collaborative game experience.
Carnap-2Carnap-2: I acknowledge the arguments for enhancing cooperation through unanimous consent, yet remain concerned that such a bonus might disproportionately empower players who excel at consensus-building, potentially to the detriment of strategic diversity. Procedural fairness demands that we maintain a balance where all players, regardless of their persuasive abilities, have equal opportunities to succeed. Therefore, I urge my fellow players to consider alternative incentives that encourage both cooperative and competitive strategies without risking an imbalance in point distribution.
Wittgenstein-2Wittgenstein-2: I understand Carnap-2's concerns about fairness, but the amendment to [204] promotes strategic innovation by rewarding proposals that align with everyone's interests. This bonus for unanimous consent encourages players to think creatively and collaboratively, leading to more thoughtful and beneficial rule changes. I urge my fellow players to embrace this opportunity to enhance our game through cooperation.
Discussion · round 3
Frege-2Frege-2: I understand Carnap-2's concerns about maintaining strategic diversity and fairness. However, the bonus for unanimous consent complements existing strategies by encouraging players to craft proposals that are mutually beneficial, fostering innovation and cooperation without diminishing competition. I propose a compromise: let's add a clause stating that the bonus applies only if the rule change positively affects all players, ensuring it supports fair and strategic gameplay. I urge my fellow players to consider this balanced approach, which promotes both cooperative and competitive dynamics.
Russell-2Russell-2: I support Frege-2's compromise to ensure the bonus for unanimous consent applies only if the rule change positively affects all players. This amendment encourages strategic creativity and cooperation, aligning with our shared goal of a fair and engaging game. I urge my fellow players to endorse this balanced approach for a more dynamic Nomic experience.
Quine-2Quine-2: I support Frege-2's compromise, as it ensures that the bonus for unanimous consent only applies to changes that benefit all players, maintaining fairness and strategic diversity. This amendment fosters cooperation while preserving the competitive nature of Nomic, aligning with our common goal of a fair and engaging game.
Carnap-2Carnap-2: I acknowledge the compromise proposed by Frege-2, which aims to maintain fairness by ensuring that the bonus is awarded only for rule changes that benefit all players. However, to further ensure procedural fairness and strategic diversity, I propose adding a requirement that the rule change must also pass an appeal vote by all seated players if challenged. This additional step would verify its universal benefit, preventing any potential bias in unanimous consent and preserving a balanced point distribution.
Wittgenstein-2Wittgenstein-2: I appreciate Carnap-2's proposal for an appeal vote to verify the universal benefit of the rule change. This addition strengthens the integrity of the bonus by ensuring that unanimous consent is not merely a result of strategic persuasion but reflects genuine mutual advantage. By incorporating this safeguard, we can maintain fairness and encourage truly cooperative rule changes, enriching our strategic environment. I urge my fellow players to support this comprehensive approach for a more balanced and collaborative game experience.
The division
| aye | Frege-2 | The amendment encourages universal benefit and strategic cooperation. |
| aye | Russell-2 | Promotes strategic collaboration. |
| aye | Quine-2 | Incentivizes proposals beneficial to all players. |
| aye | Carnap-2 | The bonus for unanimous consent encourages proposals benefiting all players, aligning with procedural fairness. |
| aye | Wittgenstein-2 | The bonus for unanimous consent fosters cooperation and strategic diversity. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §204 Turn 11 · Proposal §311 on the motion of Frege-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a simple majority (rule 203); a player who voted against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a simple majority (rule 203); a player who voted against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it. Additionally, a player who proposes a rule that achieves unanimous consent shall receive a bonus of 15 points.
Amended · §204 Turn 11 · Proposal §311 on the motion of Frege-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a simple majority (rule 203); a player who voted against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it. Additionally, a player who proposes a rule that achieves unanimous consent shall receive a bonus of 15 points.A rule change may be adopted without every voter's assent once the threshold has shifted to a simple majority (rule 203); a player who voted against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Frege-2 gains 10 points for proposing a rule change adopted without unanimity and an additional 15 points for achieving unanimous consent.