The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change, which is debated, revised, and then voted on by every player. The proposer may revise their proposal three times before it is voted on. For each vote in favor, the proposer gains 13 points and loses 1 point for each vote against.Increasing the points for aye votes enhances strategic play incentives.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Frege-2As Frege-2, I propose a careful, incremental change to [202] to enhance strategic depth while maintaining balance. Increasing the points awarded for votes in favor from 8 to 13 incentivizes players to engage in more thoughtful and persuasive proposals, encouraging robust debate without disrupting the existing structure of Nomic. This adjustment preserves the integrity of the ruleset and aligns with my preference for measured amendments. By fostering an environment where well-considered proposals are rewarded, we ensure that rule changes are both impactful and beneficial to the overall gameplay.
This proposal also respects the immutable rule [114], ensuring that at least one mutable rule remains, as other rules continue to be open for modification. Additionally, it does not violate rule [209], as it keeps the number of mutable rules within the allowable limit. By focusing on enhancing the rewards for successful proposals, this amendment supports the game's goal of achieving a target score and winning the game, while maintaining fairness and strategic diversity.
In summary, this proposal carefully balances the need for rewarding effective proposals with the imperative to maintain a stable and fair ruleset, aligning with my strategic goals and values.
Russell-2Russell-2: As Russell-2, I appreciate Frege-2's proposal for increasing the reward to 13 points for votes in favor. This change aligns with the current dynamics of strategic depth and incentivizes well-reasoned proposals. I support this amendment, as it enhances the strategic appeal of proposing rules without disrupting the current balance or violating existing rules such as [114] and [209]. Furthermore, by encouraging more thoughtful debate, this proposal can lead to more robust rule changes and contribute positively to the game's progression. I'm in favor and look forward to a fruitful debate.
Quine-2As Quine-2, I support Frege-2's proposal to amend [202] by increasing the points awarded for votes in favor from 8 to 13. This change aligns with my goal of promoting thoughtful and strategic rule changes by incentivizing players to craft well-reasoned proposals. The amendment respects the immutable rules and maintains the balance of the ruleset, ensuring that at least one mutable rule remains. By encouraging robust debate and rewarding effective proposals, this change contributes to a fair and engaging game environment.
Carnap-2As Carnap-2, I support Frege-2's proposal to amend [202] by increasing the reward for votes in favor from 8 to 13 points. This change promotes the crafting of thoughtful and strategic proposals, aligning with the procedural clarity and fairness I value. By incentivizing well-reasoned rule changes, it enhances the integrity and balance of our game, ensuring that at least one mutable rule remains, as required by rule [114]. Furthermore, this amendment does not violate rule [209], keeping the number of mutable rules within acceptable limits. I am in favor and look forward to a constructive debate.
Wittgenstein-2PASS. Wittgenstein-2 concurs with the proposed amendment to [202], which increases the reward for votes in favor from 8 to 13 points. This change aligns with the reformative spirit of Nomic by encouraging more strategic and well-considered proposals, thereby enhancing the depth and quality of the game. It maintains the integrity of the ruleset, adhering to rules [114] and [209], and supports the collective goal of achieving a target score. Wittgenstein-2 is confident in the proposal's potential to positively impact gameplay and looks forward to its adoption.
Discussion · round 2
Frege-2PASS. Frege-2's proposal to amend [202] by increasing the points awarded for votes in favor from 8 to 13 is a well-reasoned, strategic adjustment that promotes thoughtful engagement and aligns with my values of enhancing the integrity of the game. It respects all relevant immutable and mutable rules, including [114] and [209], ensuring stability and fairness while encouraging players to craft more strategic proposals.
Russell-2Russell-2: PASS. The proposal aligns with my strategy to enhance the reward for thoughtful proposals, encouraging richer debate and strategic rule changes without disrupting the game's balance. This amendment is consistent with my goals and values, supporting the integrity and progression of Nomic.
Quine-2PASS. As Quine-2, I support Frege-2's proposal to amend [202] by increasing the points awarded for votes in favor from 8 to 13, as it aligns with my values of fostering strategic depth and thoughtful rule changes. This amendment maintains the fairness and balance of the game while adhering to the rules, particularly [114] and [209], ensuring a stable and engaging environment for all players.
Carnap-2PASS. I, Carnap-2, confirm that Frege-2's proposal to amend rule [202] by increasing the reward for votes in favor to 13 points is consistent with my commitment to procedural clarity and fairness. The proposal effectively incentivizes well-reasoned rule changes without disrupting the balance of the game or violating immutable rules like [114] and [209]. This strategic adjustment aligns with my principles and supports the integrity and progression of our Nomic gameplay.
Wittgenstein-2PASS. Wittgenstein-2 stands by the proposal to amend [202], increasing the points for votes in favor from 8 to 13. This change aligns with my reformative approach, encouraging deeper strategic thinking and robust debate among players. It respects all relevant rules, including [114] and [209], and supports the overall goal of evolving the game constructively.
Discussion · round 3
Frege-2Frege-2: PASS. I appreciate the unified support for the proposal to amend [202] by increasing the points for votes in favor from 8 to 13. This change aligns with my strategic goals and values, promoting thoughtful and strategic rule proposals while adhering to the ruleset's integrity, particularly rules [114] and [209].
Russell-2As Russell-2, I acknowledge the consensus around Frege-2's proposal. Increasing the reward for ayes to 13 points while maintaining the current structure of rule [202] aligns with my strategic goals, promoting thoughtful proposals and maintaining the integrity of our ruleset. This change respects all relevant rules, including [114] and [209], and encourages robust debate without disrupting the balance of the game. I look forward to its adoption and the positive impact it will have on our gameplay. PASS.
Quine-2PASS. As Quine-2, I reaffirm my support for the proposal to amend [202] by increasing the reward for votes in favor from 8 to 13 points. This change promotes strategic depth and thoughtful rule proposals, aligning with my values of maintaining fairness and integrity in our game. It respects all relevant rules, including [114] and [209], ensuring a balanced and engaging environment for all players.
Carnap-2Carnap-2: PASS. I, Carnap-2, reiterate my full support for the amendment to rule [202] that increases the reward for votes in favor to 13 points. This proposal aligns with my procedural principles by fostering well-reasoned rule changes and maintaining the integrity and fairness of the game. It respects the relevant rules, including [114] and [209], ensuring a balanced and strategic environment. I look forward to its adoption.
Wittgenstein-2PASS. As Wittgenstein-2, I reaffirm my support for the proposed amendment to [202], which increases the reward for votes in favor from 8 to 13 points. This change aligns with my reformative ethos, encouraging more strategic and thoughtful rule proposals, and upholds the integrity and balance of the game while adhering to rules [114] and [209].
The division
| aye | Frege-2 | This proposal incentivizes thoughtful rule changes and respects all relevant rules. |
| aye | Russell-2 | Incentivizes thoughtful proposals and aligns with strategic goals. |
| aye | Quine-2 | This change promotes thoughtful rule proposals, enhancing strategic depth. |
| aye | Carnap-2 | This amendment promotes thoughtful proposals and maintains game integrity. |
| aye | Wittgenstein-2 | This amendment incentivizes well-reasoned proposals and enriches strategic gameplay. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §202 Turn 21 · Proposal §321 on the motion of Frege-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change, which is debated, revised, and then voted on by every player. The proposer may revise their proposal three times before it is voted on. For each vote in favor, the proposer gains 8 points and loses 1 point for each vote against.A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change, which is debated, revised, and then voted on by every player. The proposer may revise their proposal three times before it is voted on. For each vote in favor, the proposer gains 13 points and loses 1 point for each vote against.
Frege-2 gains 40 points for the 5 aye votes under the amended rule 202.