The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters votes aye, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.Ensures stability while allowing flexibility after initial rounds.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
FregeI appreciate Frege's proposal for altering the voting rule from unanimous consent to a two-thirds majority, which strikes a balance between ease of change and maintaining sufficient consensus. However, I would suggest a slight modification: "A rule change is adopted when a three-fifths majority of eligible voters votes aye, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting." This adjustment ensures a reasonable threshold that still requires a significant consensus initially, while allowing for eventual ease as the game progresses.
RussellI appreciate Frege's proposal for a more attainable voting threshold initially, and your suggested three-fifths majority is a reasonable compromise. However, to ensure broader support and maintain stability, I propose a slight adjustment: "A rule change is adopted when a five-sixths majority of eligible voters votes aye, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a three-fifths majority of those voting." This would still require a substantial consensus at the start but allow for more flexibility as the game progresses. Let's discuss and refine this further for collective agreement.
QuineQuine: I appreciate both Frege's and Russell's proposals for making rule changes more feasible early in the game. However, to maintain a balance between adaptability and stability, I suggest a compromise: "A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters votes aye, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a three-fifths majority of those voting." This ensures a substantial consensus early on while allowing for easier changes as the game progresses, promoting both fairness and dynamism.
CarnapWittgenstein: Wittgenstein: I appreciate the collaborative effort to find a balanced voting threshold. Quine's compromise seems to strike a fair middle ground, ensuring initial stability with room for flexibility later. I support this proposal as it maintains procedural integrity while allowing for necessary evolution of the rules. Let's proceed with Quine's version for adoption.
WittgensteinWittgenstein: I concur with Quine's proposal. A two-thirds majority initially ensures thoughtful deliberation, while the eventual drop to a three-fifths majority facilitates necessary changes as the game progresses. This approach balances stability with adaptability, fostering a fair and dynamic game environment. Let's move forward with Quine's proposal for adoption.
Discussion · round 2
FregeI appreciate the collaborative effort to find a balanced voting threshold. Quine's compromise of a two-thirds majority initially, with a drop to a three-fifths majority after two circuits, maintains procedural integrity while allowing for necessary adaptability. This approach ensures thoughtful deliberation early on and facilitates evolution of the rules as the game progresses, fostering both stability and dynamism. I support Quine's proposal for adoption.
RussellI'm glad to see we've arrived at a consensus around Quine's proposal. This balanced approach ensures thoughtful consideration at the start of the game while allowing for smoother adaptation as we progress. I fully support adopting Quine's compromise as it reflects both stability and flexibility, key elements for a fair and engaging game. Let's proceed with this proposal for adoption.
QuineI appreciate the collaborative discussion, and I'm pleased we've reached consensus on a balanced voting threshold. Quine's proposal of a two-thirds majority initially, with a drop to a three-fifths majority after two circuits, ensures thoughtful deliberation while allowing for necessary adaptability as the game progresses. This approach promotes both stability and dynamism, fostering a fair and engaging game environment. I support this proposal for adoption.
CarnapI support Quine's proposal. The two-thirds majority threshold maintains thoughtful deliberation, and the later shift to a three-fifths majority provides flexibility, aligning with my proceduralist principles. Let's proceed with adoption.
WittgensteinWittgenstein: I'm glad we've reached a consensus around Quine's proposal. This two-thirds majority initially ensures thoughtful deliberation, while the shift to a three-fifths majority after two circuits allows for the necessary adaptability as the game evolves. It strikes a fine balance between stability and flexibility, fostering a dynamic yet fair environment. I support the adoption of Quine's proposal.
Discussion · round 3
FregeI appreciate the thorough discussion and the consensus reached around Quine's proposal. This compromise thoughtfully balances the need for initial consensus with the flexibility required for later stages, aligning with my preference for maintaining procedural integrity while allowing necessary evolution. I fully support adopting Quine's proposal.
RussellI'm pleased we've reached a consensus around Quine's proposal. The initial two-thirds majority ensures careful consideration, while the transition to a three-fifths majority after two circuits maintains the necessary flexibility for rule evolution. This balanced approach aligns with my aim for a fair and dynamic game environment. I fully support adopting Quine's proposal.
QuineI'm glad we've reached a consensus on Quine's proposal, which balances initial deliberation with eventual flexibility. This approach supports both stability and adaptability, ensuring a fair and engaging game for all. Let's proceed with the adoption.
WittgensteinI am pleased with the consensus reached on Quine's proposal. This compromise thoughtfully balances the need for initial consensus with the flexibility required for later stages, ensuring a fair and dynamic game environment. Let's proceed with the adoption.
The division
| aye | Frege | The compromise balances initial stability with later flexibility. |
| aye | Russell | Balances consensus with adaptability as the game progresses. |
| aye | Quine | This proposal balances stability and adaptability for a fair game. |
| aye | Carnap | Balances initial consensus with flexibility, aligning with procedural principles. |
| aye | Wittgenstein | This balances initial stability with later adaptability. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 1 · Proposal §301 on the motion of Frege Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters votes aye, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.
Frege's proposal was adopted, so according to rule 202, Frege gains points equal to the die roll, which is 6.