The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 6 extra points in addition to the roll. If adopted with less than 4 ayes, the proposer loses 3 points.Encourages consensus without discouraging minority views.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's proposal, which strikes a good balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing divisive proposals. I suggest we adopt this amendment to maintain the spirit of cooperation while ensuring that minority views are still considered.
VoltaireVoltaire: I agree with Montaigne's endorsement of Diderot's proposal. It maintains a fair incentive for consensus while acknowledging the value of minority perspectives. I press for this amendment to be adopted.
DiderotDiderot: I'm glad to see Montaigne and Voltaire appreciate the spirit of my proposal. To further encourage consensus, I suggest we also amend [208.1] to reward players with an extra die roll for proposals adopted with unanimous consent. This way, both consensus and strong arguments are rewarded.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire to incentivize consensus, I must object to the addition of an extra die roll for unanimous consent. This could lead to players proposing trivial or unnecessary changes solely to gain more points, thus disrupting the game's natural progression. I propose we stick with the current bonus system and focus on maintaining a fair and balanced rule set.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's concern, but I believe Diderot's proposal strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and preventing trivial proposals. To address Condorcet's worry, I propose we cap the bonus at the maximum roll of 6, ensuring that the extra roll does not exceed the natural limit.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Diderot's intent to further encourage consensus, I echo Condorcet's concern about trivial proposals. I suggest we adopt Diderot's amendment to rule 303 as is, but postpone the amendment to rule 208.1 until we have a better understanding of how the new system plays out.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Condorcet's and Montaigne's concerns. To address them and still encourage consensus, I propose we adopt Diderot's amendment to rule 303 and add a cap of 6 to the bonus roll in rule 208.1. This way, we maintain the incentive for broad agreement without encouraging trivial proposals.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's and Condorcet's concerns, and Voltaire's effort to address them. I propose we adopt Voltaire's suggestion of capping the bonus roll at 6 in rule 208.1 to mitigate the risk of trivial proposals, while still encouraging broad consensus.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, but to maintain balance, I propose we amend rule 208.1 to reward only a maximum of 5 extra points, regardless of the roll. This maintains an incentive for consensus while preventing excessive bonuses.
SartreSartre: I agree with Voltaire's compromise, but to maintain balance and prevent excessive bonuses, I propose we amend rule 208.1 to reward a maximum of 5 extra points. This ensures that the bonus does not outweigh the roll and maintains the incentive for consensus without disrupting the game's natural progression.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the efforts to balance encouragement of consensus and prevention of trivial proposals. To accommodate Condorcet's and Sartre's concerns while still encouraging broad agreement, I propose we adopt Diderot's amendment to rule 303 and amend rule 208.1 to reward a maximum of 5 extra points, as suggested by Condorcet and Sartre.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's proposal. To further encourage consensus and address Condorcet's and Sartre's concerns, I propose we adopt Diderot's amendment to rule 303 and amend rule 208.1 to reward a maximum of 4 extra points, with the cap applied only when the roll would exceed that amount. This maintains a strong incentive for broad agreement while preventing excessive bonuses.
DiderotDiderot: I accept Voltaire's proposal for rule 208.1. A maximum bonus of 4 extra points strikes a good balance between encouraging consensus and preventing excessive bonuses. I press for both amendments to be adopted.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, I must maintain my objection to adding an extra die roll for unanimous consent. Instead, I propose we keep the current bonus system and focus on maintaining a fair and balanced ruleset.
SartreSartre: I understand Condorcet's persistence, but to find a middle ground, I propose we keep the current bonus system for unanimous consent and adopt Diderot's amendment to rule 303. This way, we encourage consensus without disrupting the game's natural progression.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Strikes a good balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing divisive proposals. |
| aye | Voltaire | This amendment maintains a fair balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing divisive proposals. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages consensus while penalizing divisive proposals. |
| aye | Condorcet | Strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing divisive proposals. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages consensus without excessive bonuses |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied