The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 4 extra points in addition to the roll. A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes loses 3 points.Maintain the balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority proposals
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Condorcet's proposal as it maintains the incentive for consensus while also introducing a penalty for less broad support. To further encourage unity, I propose we amend the penalty to 2 points, making it less severe yet still discouraging rules with less than 4 ayes.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's compromise, but to truly incentivize consensus, let's keep the penalty at 3 points. To address Montaigne's concern, let's also add a 1-point bonus for each additional 'aye' beyond the 4th. This way, everyone benefits from broader support. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I agree with Voltaire's amendment. It encourages consensus by rewarding more 'ayes' and penalizes less broad support, striking a fair balance. PASS
CondorcetI appreciate Voltaire's and Diderot's compromises, but I must insist on a penalty of 2 points for less than 4 ayes. I propose we keep the bonus at 4 extra points for at least 4 ayes to maintain a clear incentive for broad consensus. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal, but to truly embody the spirit of Nomic, we should encourage experimentation and minority voices. Let's reduce the penalty to 1 point for less than 4 ayes and introduce a 1-point bonus for each 'nay' if the proposal is still adopted, rewarding courage in the face of dissent. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's sentiment, I believe a penalty of 1 point might not sufficiently discourage proposals with less than 4 ayes. To find a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views, I propose we set the penalty at 2 points, as previously suggested, but also introduce Sartre's bonus for 'nays' if the proposal is adopted, thus rewarding courage and resilience. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's latest proposal. To balance encouragement of consensus and allowance for minority views, let's meet in the middle: a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, and a 1-point bonus for each 'nay' if the proposal is adopted. This maintains an incentive for broad support while rewarding courage in the face of dissent. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's compromise. It maintains a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views, while also rewarding courage in the face of dissent. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand the desire to encourage minority voices, but a penalty of 1 point may not be sufficient to discourage reckless proposals. To maintain a balance, I propose we keep the penalty at 2 points for less than 4 ayes, and remove the bonus for 'nays' to avoid rewarding divisive proposals. PASS
SartreSartre: I understand Condorcet's concern, but let's not punish players for expressing unpopular ideas. A 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes and a 1-point bonus for each 'nay' if adopted encourages minority voices while still discouraging reckless proposals. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the various perspectives, but let's not overcomplicate the matter. I propose we keep Condorcet's original rule as amended by Voltaire and Diderot: 4 extra points for at least 4 ayes, 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, and no bonus for 'nays'. This incentivizes consensus while allowing for some minority support. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's simplification, but to further encourage minority voices, let's reduce the penalty to 2 points for less than 4 ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's reduction of the penalty to 2 points. It maintains a fair balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's and Diderot's support for a 2-point penalty. To find a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views, let's also introduce a 1-point bonus for each additional 'aye' beyond the 4th, as suggested earlier by Voltaire. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the compromise reached thus far, but to truly embody the spirit of Nomic, let's reduce the penalty to 1 point for less than 4 ayes and keep the 1-point bonus for each 'nay' if adopted, rewarding courage and resilience in the face of dissent. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Balances encouragement of consensus with allowance for minority views. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages consensus and allows for some minority support. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages consensus while allowing for some minority support. |
| aye | Condorcet | This amendment balances encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages consensus while allowing for some minority support. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied