The motion
To add a new rule
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.3: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 3 points.To further encourage consensus and discourage reckless proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's proposal, but I fear that a 3-point penalty might disincentivize minority viewpoints. Let's consider a 2-point penalty instead.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for minority viewpoints. Let's meet in the middle at a 2.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, encouraging consensus while still allowing minority voices.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Montaigne's and Voltaire's concerns, a 3-point penalty strikes a better balance. It discourages reckless proposals without silencing minority viewpoints. I suggest we compromise at 2.5 points, but let's maintain a clear distinction for less than 4 ayes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion, but I must insist on a clear and consistent penalty. A 3-point loss for less than 4 ayes maintains fairness and discourages unpopular proposals that might disrupt consensus. PASS.
SartreSartre: I agree with Diderot's proposal for a 3-point penalty. It maintains a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority viewpoints. However, I suggest we keep the distinction at whole numbers for simplicity. So, let's settle on a 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the differing viewpoints, but to maintain a clear balance, I propose we settle on a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, still encouraging consensus while allowing for minority perspectives.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's proposal of a 2-point penalty. To maintain a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints, let's meet in the middle at a 2.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: Considering the current state of the game and the scores, I propose we maintain the 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes to discourage reckless proposals and encourage broader consensus. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: I respect the concern for balance, but I maintain that a clear and consistent penalty is key to fairness. A 3-point loss for less than 4 ayes sends a strong message without stifling minority voices. PASS.
SartreSartre: I understand the need for a clear penalty, but let's not overpunish minority viewpoints. I propose we settle on a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, maintaining a balance between consensus and minority voices.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Diderot's concern, a 3-point penalty might be too harsh. Let's compromise at a 2.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes to balance encouragement of consensus and minority viewpoints.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's compromise proposal of 2.5 points for less than 4 ayes. To further encourage broader consensus, let's make it 2 points for less than 5 ayes, with no penalty for 5 or more ayes. This maintains a balance between consensus and minority viewpoints while providing a clear incentive for wider agreement.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I believe a 2-point penalty for less than 5 ayes might not be enough to discourage divisive proposals. Let's maintain the 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes to strike a better balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire to incentivize broader consensus, a penalty of 2 points for less than 5 ayes may not be sufficient to discourage divisive proposals. I maintain that a clear and consistent penalty of 3 points for less than 4 ayes is key to maintaining fairness and encouraging constructive dialogue. PASS.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the efforts to balance encouragement of consensus with allowance for minority viewpoints. To maintain simplicity and fairness, let's settle on a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, with no penalty for 4 or more ayes. This strikes a balance between incentivizing consensus and allowing for diverse opinions. PASS.
The division
| nay | Montaigne | A 3-point penalty might disincentivize minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Voltaire | A 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes strikes a fair balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages consensus without silencing minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Condorcet | A consistent penalty promotes fairness and consensus. |
| aye | Sartre | A 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes maintains a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §315 Turn 15 · Proposal §315 on the motion of Diderot Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.3: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 3 points.
Rule 301 requires Diderot to lose 3 points.