The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 2 points.To maintain a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority voices.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's proposal, but to encourage consensus and maintain simplicity, I propose we keep the penalty at 2 points.
VoltaireVoltaire: I respect Montaigne's position, but I believe Diderot's proposal strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints. I propose we meet in the middle at 2 points for less than 4 ayes, as it maintains fairness without discouraging minority voices.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's perspectives. To find a balance that encourages consensus while not stifling minority voices, I propose we settle on a penalty of 2 points for less than 4 ayes, as Voltaire suggests. This maintains fairness and balance while still incentivizing broader agreement. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire to incentivize consensus, a penalty of 2 points might be too lenient to discourage reckless proposals with less than 4 ayes. I propose we maintain the penalty at 3 points, as originally suggested by Sartre.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but to maintain the spirit of experimentation and evolution, I propose we keep the penalty at 3 points as Condorcet suggests, and instead introduce a bonus for proposals adopted with 4 or more ayes to further incentivize consensus.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's and Sartre's points, but I fear a 3-point penalty might disincentivize legitimate minority proposals. I propose we settle on a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, as Voltaire and Diderot suggest, and maintain the 2-point bonus for proposals adopted with 4 or more ayes, as Sartre suggests. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the compromise proposed by Montaigne, Diderot, and myself. To further encourage consensus and balance minority voices, I suggest we adopt a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes and a 2-point bonus for 4 or more ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's final proposal. To maintain fairness and encourage consensus, I suggest we adopt the 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes and the 2-point bonus for 4 or more ayes. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the compromise reached, I must insist on maintaining the 3-point penalty for proposals with less than 4 ayes to discourage reckless propositions. I propose we keep the bonus at 2 points for proposals adopted with 4 or more ayes, as originally suggested by Sartre. PASS
SartreSartre: I understand Condorcet's concern, but a 3-point penalty might be too harsh, especially for legitimate minority views. Let's meet in the middle at 2 points for less than 4 ayes, as proposed by Voltaire and Diderot, and maintain the 2-point bonus for proposals adopted with 4 or more ayes. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand Condorcet's concern, I maintain that a 2-point penalty strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints. Let's settle on this and move forward, maintaining the 2-point bonus for proposals adopted with 4 or more ayes, as Sartre initially suggested. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but I must insist on maintaining the 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes to encourage broader consensus without stifling minority voices. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain procedural fairness and avoid discouraging minority viewpoints, I propose a compromise of a 2.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, rounding down to maintain clarity. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's attempt to find a middle ground, but let's maintain simplicity and fairness with a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, as previously agreed. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Maintains balance between consensus and minority views |
| aye | Voltaire | Strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Diderot | This proposal balances encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Condorcet | Maintains balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages consensus while avoiding harsh penalties. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied