The motion
To amend §301
After rule 208, add new rule 208.1: (mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll.Encourages broader consensus while still rewarding unanimous agreement.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to incentivize broader agreement, but lowering the threshold to 4 ayes may encourage division. I propose we compromise at 3 ayes to maintain unity while still rewarding consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for unity. Let's meet in the middle at 3 ayes to encourage consensus without diluting the reward for broad agreement.
DiderotDiderot: I concur with Montaigne and Voltaire, a threshold of 3 ayes balances encouraging consensus with maintaining unity. I propose we adopt this compromise.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support the compromise of 3 ayes. It maintains the spirit of rewarding consensus while keeping the bar high enough to prevent divisive proposals. PASS
SartreSartre: I agree with the compromise of 3 ayes. It promotes a balance between encouraging consensus and maintaining unity, ensuring that rule changes are not too divisive. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I propose we add, "A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 3 ayes loses 5 points." to discourage divisive proposals and maintain unity.
VoltaireVoltaire: I support Montaigne's additional proposal to further discourage divisive rule changes. Let us maintain unity and encourage constructive gameplay. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Montaigne's addition, as it strengthens the incentive for consensus and unity. However, I propose we adjust it to "loses 3 points" to maintain a balance and avoid excessive penalization.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the concern for unity, I must object to the penalty for less than 3 ayes. It introduces a disincentive for innovative proposals that may not initially gain wide consensus. Instead, I propose we allow for a single rejection without penalty, encouraging players to refine their proposals through debate. PASS
SartreSartre: I propose we combine Condorcet's and Diderot's suggestions: "A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 3 ayes loses 3 points, but the first rejection of any proposal does not incur a penalty." This encourages consensus while allowing for the refinement of ideas. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the careful consideration of my proposal, and I am open to the compromise of adjusting the penalty to 3 points, as suggested by Diderot and supported by Condorcet's refinement. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "I suggest we adopt Sartre's amendment, maintaining a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for refinement of proposals. Let us reward and penalize in proportion, with 5 points for broad agreement and 3 points lost for less than 3 ayes, after the first rejection."
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's amended proposal. It maintains a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for the refinement of proposals, while also ensuring that rule changes are not too divisive. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on maintaining the first rejection without penalty. Innovation requires freedom from immediate consequences. PASS
SartreSartre: I propose we incorporate Condorcet's concern by adding "The first rejection of any proposal by a player does not incur a penalty, and subsequent rejections with less than 3 ayes result in losing 3 points." This balances encouragement for consensus, innovation, and unity. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | This amendment strikes a fair balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for proposal refinement. |
| aye | Voltaire | This proposal encourages consensus and maintains the spirit of the original rule. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages consensus while maintaining a reasonable threshold. |
| aye | Condorcet | It strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for proposal refinement. |
| aye | Sartre | The amended rule promotes a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for refinement of proposals. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §301 Turn 2 · Proposal §302 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
After rule 208, add new rule 208.1: (mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted unanimously gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll.After rule 208, add new rule 208.1: (mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll.
Rule 301 requires Voltaire to gain 5 points for proposing a rule adopted with at least 4 ayes.