The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with exactly 3 ayes gains 2 extra points in addition to the roll.Encourages broader participation while maintaining simplicity
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to incentivize broad consensus, but I maintain that 3 ayes should not yield extra points to avoid encouraging reckless proposals. I propose we keep the bonus for 4 ayes and above, as currently agreed upon.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's concern, but let's not discourage minority voices entirely. I propose we meet halfway at 3 ayes for 1 extra point, maintaining an incentive for broader consensus without encouraging recklessness.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's perspectives. To find a compromise that encourages consensus without undue risk, I propose 3 ayes gain 1 extra point, with 4 ayes or more gaining the previously agreed 2 extra points. This maintains an incentive for broader agreement while mitigating the risk of reckless proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's compromise. It strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and mitigating risk, aligning with my proceduralist principles. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the efforts to balance encouragement of consensus with risk mitigation. To maintain a fair and simple system, I propose we settle on 3 ayes for no extra points, as it discourages reckless proposals while still encouraging a degree of consensus.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate the middle ground proposed by Diderot and Condorcet, I must reiterate my concern for maintaining a clear threshold at 4 ayes to ensure substantial consensus. I propose we settle on 3 ayes for no extra points, aligning with Sartre's suggestion, to discourage reckless proposals and encourage thoughtful consensus. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the various viewpoints. To address concerns about reckless proposals and still encourage some consensus, I propose 3 ayes gain 1 extra point, with 4 ayes or more maintaining the 2 extra points as previously agreed. This maintains an incentive for broader agreement without unduly rewarding proposals with minimal support. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the discussion and Voltaire's latest proposal. To maintain a clear distinction and encourage substantial consensus, I propose we settle on 3 ayes for 1 extra point, with 4 ayes or more gaining the previously agreed 2 extra points. This balances the incentive for consensus with the risk of reckless proposals, while keeping the system simple and fair. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the efforts to balance encouragement of consensus with risk mitigation. To maintain a fair and simple system, I propose we settle on 3 ayes for 1 extra point, with 4 ayes or more gaining 2 extra points, as proposed by Diderot. This maintains an incentive for broader agreement without unduly rewarding proposals with minimal support, and aligns with my proceduralist principles. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I stand by my proposal. Encouraging any bonus for 3 ayes may inadvertently foster reckless proposals. Let's maintain the clear threshold at 4 ayes for additional points to ensure substantial consensus. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I understand Sartre's concerns, but let's not discourage all minority voices. I propose 3 ayes gain 1 extra point, maintaining an incentive for broader consensus without encouraging reckless proposals excessively. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's willingness to meet halfway at 1 extra point for 3 ayes. To further encourage consensus while mitigating risk, I propose we settle on 2 extra points for 3 ayes, maintaining the 2 points for 4 ayes and above as agreed earlier. This incentivizes broader agreement without unduly rewarding minimal support. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but I believe 2 extra points for 3 ayes might still encourage proposals with minimal support. To maintain a balance, I propose we settle on 1 extra point for 3 ayes, with 4 ayes or more gaining 2 extra points, as previously agreed. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand the desire to encourage broader consensus, but we must also discourage reckless proposals. I propose 3 ayes gain 1 extra point, to strike a balance between these considerations. PASS
SartreSartre: While I understand the desire to encourage broader consensus, I remain unconvinced that any bonus for 3 ayes is warranted. Let's maintain the clear threshold at 4 ayes to ensure substantial consensus and discourage reckless proposals. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Encourages broader consensus without excessive reward for minimal support. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages broader consensus without unduly rewarding minimal support. |
| nay | Diderot | I remain unconvinced that any bonus for 3 ayes is warranted. |
| aye | Condorcet | Strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and mitigating risk of reckless proposals. |
| nay | Sartre | Maintaining a clear threshold at 4 ayes ensures substantial consensus and discourages reckless proposals. |
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied