The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with 3 or fewer ayes must lose 1 point.To maintain a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority voices.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal, but let's maintain a clear incentive for broader participation. I propose we settle on 2 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's willingness to compromise. To further encourage broader participation, let's meet in the middle at 1 point lost for 3 ayes or fewer.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the compromise reached at 1 point lost for 3 ayes or fewer. To maintain fairness and balance, let's vote on Condorcet's amended proposal.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the compromise of 1 point lost for 3 ayes or fewer, but to maintain a clear disincentive for rushed or poorly considered proposals, I must insist on my original proposal of 2 points lost.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's and Montaigne's concerns. To balance encouragement of consensus with disincentivizing hasty proposals, let's meet at 1.5 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I see the merit in Condorcet's proposal, but to encourage gradual consensus-building, let's settle on 1.5 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer, meeting Sartre's suggestion halfway. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's willingness to meet in the middle. To strike a balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed proposals, I propose 1 point lost for 3 ayes or fewer, with 1.5 points lost for 2 ayes or fewer."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to balance encouragement and penalty, but let's maintain a clear threshold at 3 ayes for a 1-point loss. To find common ground, I propose we vote on Condorcet's amended proposal of a 2-point loss for 3 ayes or fewer.
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand the concern for balance, but 1 point lost may not be enough to discourage reckless proposals. I maintain that 2 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer is necessary to ensure careful consideration. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but to maintain a balance that truly encourages consensus while still penalizing hasty proposals, I propose we settle on 1.5 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer, rounding up from Montaigne's suggestion. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment: 2 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer, acknowledging Condorcet's concern for thorough consideration.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's proposal. To further encourage consensus and penalize rushed proposals proportionally, I propose we vote on my amended version: 1.5 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer, which maintains a balance between the existing proposals.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find a middle ground, but I maintain that a clear threshold at 3 ayes for a 1-point loss is fair and encourages gradual consensus. Let's vote on Condorcet's amended proposal of a 2-point loss for 3 ayes or fewer. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for a lower penalty, I must insist on my original proposal of 2 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer to maintain a strong disincentive for rushed proposals. PASS
SartreSartre: To strike a fair balance and encourage gradual consensus, I propose we vote on a compromise: 1.5 points lost for 3 ayes or fewer, as suggested earlier. This maintains a clear disincentive for hasty proposals while still allowing for minority voices.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | To maintain a clear disincentive for rushed proposals. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages consensus and penalizes rushed proposals sufficiently. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages careful consideration of proposals. |
| aye | Condorcet | Maintaining a clear disincentive for hasty proposals. |
| aye | Sartre | A clear disincentive for hasty proposals encourages careful consideration and gradual consensus. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied