The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 2 points.To maintain a fair balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Diderot's proposal to maintain a penalty for less than 4 ayes, but let's aim for a balance that encourages consensus without being overly punitive. I propose we vote on 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's suggestion. To maintain a fair balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed or unpopular proposals, I propose we vote on 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for consensus, a penalty of 2 points for less than 4 ayes might be too lenient, given the current scoring dynamics. I propose we vote on 3 points lost for less than 4 ayes, to better discourage rushed or unpopular proposals. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the concern for consensus, but let's not deter minority voices entirely. I propose we vote on 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes, to maintain a balance between encouragement and penalty. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the diverse perspectives. To strike a balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed or unpopular proposals, let's vote on 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the discussion, but let's find common ground. I propose we vote on 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes, as it balances encouragement and penalty. PASS
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: I appreciate the consensus building around 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes. To maintain fairness and encourage broader participation, I propose we vote on this amended rule. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I respect the compromise at 2 points lost, I must insist on maintaining a clear penalty for rushed or unpopular proposals. I propose we vote on 3 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
SartreSartre: While I understand Condorcet's concern, I maintain that a 1-point penalty strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority voices. Let's vote on 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the varied input. To maintain a balance that encourages broad participation while penalizing rushed or unpopular proposals, let's vote on 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the various proposals. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, let's vote on Diderot's amendment for 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I respect the majority's preference for a 2-point penalty, I must maintain my stance to uphold the principle of a clear disincentive for rushed or unpopular proposals. I propose we vote on 3 points lost for less than 4 ayes.
SartreSartre: I understand Condorcet's insistence, but a 3-point penalty might be too harsh. Let's meet in the middle at 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes to maintain a fair balance. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Maintains a fair balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed or unpopular proposals. |
| aye | Voltaire | A 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes encourages consensus without being overly punitive. |
| aye | Diderot | Maintains a fair balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed or unpopular proposals. |
| aye | Condorcet | To maintain a fair balance and encourage broader participation. |
| aye | Sartre | Maintains a fair balance between consensus and minority voices. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied