The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with 3 or fewer ayes must lose 2 points.To further discourage rushed proposals and encourage broader consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal, but I must insist on a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes to maintain balance and encourage broader participation.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's concern for balance, but to encourage broader consensus, I propose we meet at 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's perspectives. To maintain a clear threshold and encourage consensus, I propose we settle on a 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for a clear threshold, I maintain that a 1-point penalty strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed proposals.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but let's not forget that the threshold for adoption has already been lowered to a simple majority. I propose we keep Condorcet's 2-point penalty for less than 4 ayes to maintain a balance between consensus and individual initiative.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I respect Sartre's perspective, but maintaining a clear threshold of 4 ayes for no penalty encourages broader participation while still penalizing rushed proposals. Let's keep Condorcet's proposal as is.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the varied input. To find common ground, I suggest we vote on Condorcet's amendment for 2 points lost for 3 or fewer ayes, with the understanding that this encourages broader consensus while still penalizing rushed proposals.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the consensus building around 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes. To encourage broader participation while still penalizing rushed proposals, I suggest we vote on Condorcet's amendment.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for broader consensus, I maintain that a 1-point penalty is sufficient to discourage rushed proposals without penalizing legitimate minority viewpoints. Let's vote on my amendment as proposed.
SartreSartre: While I respect Condorcet's proposal, I believe a 2-point penalty strikes a better balance, encouraging broader consensus without discouraging minority viewpoints. Let's vote on Condorcet's amendment as proposed.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I understand the need for a penalty, but let's not discourage minority voices too harshly. Let's compromise at 1.5 points for less than 4 ayes.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's willingness to compromise. To further encourage consensus and acknowledge the varying degrees of support, I suggest we vote on Condorcet's amendment with a slight adjustment: 1.5 points lost for 3 or fewer ayes.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise proposal. To maintain a clear threshold and encourage consensus, I suggest we vote on his amendment of 1.5 points lost for 3 or fewer ayes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must maintain my principle of a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes to balance encouragement of consensus and penalization of rushed proposals without discouraging legitimate minority viewpoints. Let's vote on my amendment as proposed.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the compromise proposed by Voltaire and Diderot. To maintain a fair balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed proposals, let's vote on Voltaire's amendment with 1.5 points lost for 3 or fewer ayes.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | To balance encouragement of consensus and penalization of rushed proposals without discouraging minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Voltaire | To maintain a clear threshold and encourage broader consensus without discouraging minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Diderot | To encourage broader participation while still penalizing rushed proposals. |
| aye | Condorcet | A 1-point penalty is sufficient to discourage rushed proposals without discouraging legitimate minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Sartre | Penalizing less than 4 ayes with 2 points encourages broader consensus without discouraging minority viewpoints. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied