The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 3 ayes gains 1 extra point in addition to the roll.To encourage broader consensus while maintaining simplicity.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate the simplicity of Voltaire's proposal, I'd like to see it as 2 extra points for 4 ayes to better encourage broader consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for broader consensus. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, I propose we vote on 1 extra point for 3 ayes, with the possibility of further amendment.
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's proposal for 1 extra point at 3 ayes. It strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and maintaining the current threshold.
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Voltaire's proposal. It maintains a reasonable incentive for consensus while being a balanced amendment to the current rule.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the focus on consensus, but let's not ignore the value of minority voices. I propose we amend Voltaire's rule to 2 extra points for 4 ayes, with an additional bonus for a supermajority.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's concern for minority voices. To balance everyone's input, I propose we vote on Voltaire's amendment and, if passed, immediately consider a further amendment for additional bonuses at higher thresholds.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the various proposals. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, I propose we vote on 1 extra point for 3 ayes, with the possibility of further amendment.
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal for 1 extra point at 3 ayes, but to maintain a clear incentive for broader participation, I support Montaigne's proposal of 2 extra points for 4 ayes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's proposal for 1 extra point at 3 ayes, as it strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and maintaining fairness for all players.
SartreSartre: I understand the desire for a simple majority, but to truly incentivize consensus, I propose we amend Voltaire's rule to 2 extra points for 4 ayes, with an additional bonus for a supermajority. This way, we balance encouraging broad participation while still rewarding those who build strong consensus.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's emphasis on a supermajority bonus. To balance everyone's concerns, let's vote on 1 extra point for 3 ayes, and immediately afterwards consider an amendment for a 2-point bonus at 4 ayes, with additional bonuses for higher majorities.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, let's vote on 1 extra point for 3 ayes, and if it passes, immediately consider Sartre's amendment for additional bonuses at higher thresholds.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise proposal. To maintain a clear threshold and encourage broader participation, I suggest we vote on 1 extra point for 3 ayes, with the understanding that we will immediately consider Sartre's amendment for additional bonuses at higher thresholds if Voltaire's proposal passes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's proposal for 1 extra point at 3 ayes, as it maintains a reasonable incentive for consensus while being a balanced amendment to the current rule. I'm open to discussing Sartre's proposal for additional bonuses at higher thresholds after Voltaire's amendment is voted on. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the consensus building around 3 ayes for 1 extra point. To encourage broader participation and reward strong consensus, let's vote on Voltaire's amendment and immediately consider adding a 2-point bonus for 4 ayes and a 3-point bonus for 5 ayes. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Encourages broader participation while maintaining balance. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages broader consensus while respecting minority voices. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages consensus while maintaining fairness |
| aye | Condorcet | Encourages consensus while maintaining fairness. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages broader participation while maintaining fairness. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied